What should i get?

[Tacul]

Hello, i am looking to buy a motherboard, ram, and a cpu. I am on a budget of 310 pounds and am looking for a good pc for gaming. I have already got a 7900 GT Pci-e and all i need now is a fast pc to go with it, so itl be good for gaming. Can any one help me or give me some advice onto what to buy?

Thank you...

[Taxation]

are you an intel fanboy or an AMD addict :wink:

Have you got a case already??

motherboard bundle??
have a gander at this
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/spec ... MBB-C2D635 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?MBB-C2D635)

or build the thing yourself.
But the LGA775 core 2 duo's are the best at the moment

[Tacul]

8) im a fan boy and an addict, yeah i have a case :wink:

[Tacul]

yeah i was thinking of getting that bundle but then i found out it would be cheaper to buy all of those parts separatly and id rather get one i can build myself :)

[Taxation]

how about something like this

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/spec ... p5vmdh&P=1 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?asu-p5vmdh&P=1)
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/spec ... l?IL-E6300 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?IL-E6300)
and i know it isnt very good but............
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/spec ... ?CSR-VS671 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?CSR-VS671)
but you arent on the biggest budget, and the corsair values can actually be quite good, they arent made from rubbish chips etc.

and with the value memory, you could get a core 2 duo E6400

[Tacul]

:) hey thanks that looks quite nice apart from that mobo, i think ill keep all that and look for a better mobo

[Tacul]

From the AMD side what would you get?

[Taxation]

theres alot more cheap AM2 motherboards than LGA775
maybe be able to save enough and get 2GB RAM

but conroe (core 2 duo) perfroms alot better than AMD's offerings

[Tacul]

ok thanks for help

[Taxation]

take a look at this article
http://www.techspot.com/article/25-affo ... ng-system/ (http://www.techspot.com/article/25-affordable-am2-gaming-system/)

[Tacul]

8) wow thats a real nice guide might just swing me over to the addict side as it shows its now push over when it comes to gaming :wink:

[Nox]

From the AMD side what would you get?

An Intel :D

Nox

[Nox]

Thats a good article, if someone was on a budget and wanted amd - I would recommend something like that, or even a s939 based system - very similar performance.

Nox

[Taxation]

From the AMD side what would you get?

An Intel :D

Nox

true true
AMD chips may not perform as well as the conroes chips, but AMD's can still play games at a high res and full detail

[Tacul]

i found a way for the intel side:

Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 2 x 1.86Ghz 2Mb Cache 1066 FSB Dual Core Processor

Corsair Value Select 1024Mb (2x512mB) Kit 667MHz 240Pin 1GB DDR2 RAM DIMM 1.8V

Gigabyte GA-965P-S3 Socket 775 DDR2 PCI-E

Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Socket 775 CPU Cooler

Also would i be able to OC with this system to say 2.6Ghz for the Cpu?

[Taxation]

overclocking voids your warranty, so best not discuss that sorta thing if youve bought it from here :wink:
and the stock heatsinks are surposed to be really good anyway

[Tacul]

:lol: ok so overall a good system

[Taxation]

not bad
seeing that you are on such a tight budget, it is good

[GN]

Even though Intel technically over clocks/under clocks there C2D, I don’t see why you can’t quite honestly. Anyways, for mobos if you are an AMD fanatic get the DFI Lanparty range. They are the best AMD boards about to my knowledge.

[Taxation]

what about the asus a8n32 sli deluxe, or the crossfire 3200 set of asus boards,mine is the first board, and it is great, a tad hot though :x

[Tacul]

:wink: thanks for all your ideas. Its helped a great deal, i have decided to go with AMD as there new processor will be coming out in mid 2007 which would be also am2 and would pwn some of the intel core 2 duo's...... ive heard people talking about battlefield 2 etc, if i had this setup, what settings would you think i could play battlefield 2 and battlefield 2142 at?

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/Spec ... AMD-X2M38O (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/SpecPage.html?AMD-X2M38O)

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/Spec ... M-67%2F1GB (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/SpecPage.html?RAM-67%2F1GB)

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/Spec ... ASU-M2N32D (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/SpecPage.html?ASU-M2N32D)

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/spec ... l?NOV-79GS (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?NOV-79GS)

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/spec ... l?TT-MAMBO (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?TT-MAMBO)

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/spec ... AC-FREEZ64 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?AC-FREEZ64)

thanks for all your help youve given me so fare i appreciate it. :)

[Taxation]

probably be able to run at 1024*768 all settings max'd out.
i did it with my system, your CPU is better than mine, mine is 939, but my gfx card is a 79gt.
I could of run it higher, but i didnt have enough RAM so it would of gone all shuddery.
1GB will be the only downfall tbh, but at a later date another 1GB would do nicely in there.

and btw, the newer AM2 cpu will be called the AM2+ (apparantly) and that cpu wont go onto a AM2 board, but the AM2 cpu will be able to go onto a AM2+ board.
very confusing :roll:

[GN]

we need links for this stuff.

[Taxation]

it was on theinq ages ago, so may just be a loada bull

[Tacul]

:wink: hey thanks for your help and from saying about the cpu i done some more searching and found a better one and i got all this in my price range:

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products ... uid=119733 (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=119733)

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products ... uid=118308 (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=118308)

but this did mean i had to switch my mobo but i think this is a fairly reasonable one so it shouldn't worry i don't think :D

the AMD addict has got the better of me :twisted:

[GN]

Or, for a little more you could get the DFI LANPARTY UT CFX3200-DR/G.

http://us.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_product ... 56&SITE=US (http://us.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_product_spec_details_r_us.jsp?PAGE_TYPE=US&PRODUCT_ID=4556&SITE=US)

[Tacul]

:lol: LOL yeah its me again out of these 2 systems which one would be better to get? obviously i would be O'C both of the processors 8) .....

AMD -

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products ... uid=113972 (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=113972)

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products ... uid=111285 (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=111285)

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products ... uid=115848 (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=115848)

Intel -

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products ... uid=114212 (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=114212)

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products ... uid=116481 (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=116481)

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/spec ... RAM-67/1GB (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?RAM-67/1GB)

:wink: once again thanks (this will be for a gaming rig)

[Taxation]

intel
the core 2 duo will wipe the floor with the AMD 3200+

[Tacul]

ok thanks

[Tacul]

8) ive just got and offer from a mate to buy his gaming rig off him for 300 pounds would you buy it?

Processor:
AMD Athlon64 X2 4400+ Toledo 2.2GHz CPU
Ram:
2GB of DDR 600 OCZ Platinum Ram (4x512MB)
Motherboard:
DFI LanParty UT RDX-200 CF-DR Motherboard
ThermalTake Big Typhoon

he's had it for 1 year........ should i go for it??

[JDowdall]

that looks very tasty but what about a gfx card

[Tacul]

8) So its a good deal :?: sweet.... I will be buyinmg a 7900 Gs to go with this anyone know what settings i could play bf2 and bf2142 with this?


Thanks

[Taxation]

1024*768
medium to high settings

if i were you i would try and get 2*1GB sticks instead
but thats just me

[Tacul]

:) Ok yeah i will be upgrading this so i will buy 2 1GB sticks.... Also anyone know if this is a Socket 939 or a AM2?




Thanks

[Taxation]

939 socket

[Tacul]

Ok thanks i heard they were dying :cry: is this true?

Ohh and is 3DMark05 Score: 2161 is that good or ****?

[Taxation]

939 is dying, still good chips, but wont be around for much longer.
if you can afford it, go for a core 2 duo set-up
the lowest clocked core 2 duo will still perform better than the latest AMD 939 cpu's

[Tacul]

ok thanks

[Tacul]

:D Sorry to keep asking questions but do i get the med/high on bf2 + bf2142 from my graphics card, or would me getting a X800 XT or a X850 XT make much of a difference?

[JDowdall]

a 7600 gs would probably be better

[Tacul]

Ok thanks

[Tacul]

:lol: In fact would someone be kind enough to chose the parts on novatech or any other good shops you know of for me i would like it to be a AMD rig ? I have budget 430 pounds. I would like it too be AMD not Intel Thanks
:wink: I just need Processor, Motherboard, Graphics card, and Ram................. :roll:




Thanks

[Taxation]

£60 http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/spec ... -xfire&P=1 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?asr-xfire&P=1)
£120 http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/spec ... l?IL-E6300 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?IL-E6300)
£80 http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/spec ... ?CSR-VS671 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?CSR-VS671)
£170 http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/spec ... ?NOV-795GT (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?NOV-795GT)

£430 big ones
give or take a few of the details, other people will suggest other things
i went for the graphics route, the 7950 is a good card
and the core 2 duo 6300 is a good cpu
the memory is the cheap stuff, but it works

better than most AMD rigs

[JDowdall]

he said AMD rig tax do keep up :P an i have a fair suspision you just copied half of that off my sig also what about stuff like say a hard drive and disk drive and operating system. Also dont get that mobo if you're thinking about crossfire or sli as its very very picky and will drive you up the wall.

[Tacul]

Ok thanks guys yes i did say AMD tax :roll: But ill see what other people have to say, you never know i might just go to intel...... Oh i already have 2 hard drives, CD rom, DVD rom, Operating system, moniter etc..... Thanks so fare for your suggestions

[GN]

£300. WHAT!!!!!! Buy it, its a good price. If you dont use it sell it on ebay and make some ££££ out of it.

1, Mobo is good. (£100-£150 Range)

2, RAM is good. (£150-£200 Range)

3, CPU is good. (£100-£400 Range.)

and so on. That pc does not come cheap.

[Taxation]

the thing is tho, i dont care if you are an AMD fanboy (not to be rude), intels core 2 duo's are so much better, getting an AMD at this time is just a waste of money.

but seeing that you want a AMD system i will spec you one
(teknokid, why would i copy you, being a sheep is for the uninspired :D )
£65 http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/spec ... k9ns2f&P=1 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?msi-k9ns2f&P=1)
£116 http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/spec ... AMD-X2M38O (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?AMD-X2M38O)
£17 http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/spec ... AC-FREEZ64 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?AC-FREEZ64)
then same ram and gfx card as stated in other suggestion

or go even older
939 stylee

£40 http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/spec ... ?ASU-A8VVM (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?ASU-A8VVM)
£145 http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/spec ... l?AMD-X242 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?AMD-X242)
£85 http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/spec ... ?CSR-VS401 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?CSR-VS401)
£130 http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/spec ... l?GWD-79GS (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?GWD-79GS)

thats pretty much the only 2 configurations that i can think of (that would be half decent.
but im telling you, the intel core 2 duo is soo much better

[Tacul]

:shock: Ok, ok ill go Intel 8)

Would the intel board you said be able to run 2x 7600 GT's in sli :?:

Or i could get one of these as the gfx you recommended is out of stock:

BFG 256Mb GeForce 7800 GTX OC

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/spec ... -795gt&P=1 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?evg-795gt&P=1)

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/spec ... 79gtko&P=0 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?evg-79gtko&P=0)


Or you recommend a different one?

[GN]

Just to let you know. I am one **** of an AMD fanboy and I dont like getting betten that easally. But I have to say...... O look im getting a C2D in my next new system. hint hint.

[JDowdall]

dont go dual 7600 gt's just go for a x1950 pro as it has betta performance at £130 rather than £200

[GN]

Yes, I agree with you also. i was pondering on getting 2 x X1950 Pro's but now i might as well get an SLI mobo with the nVidia 8800GTS

[Tacul]

:? So what card do i get? x1950, 7950 GT, 7900 Gt etc?

[GN]

for you, if you only what whats on that list you have there. I would personaly if i had the ££££ get the ATI X1950 Pro or if you dont want to do cross fire get the ATI X1950 XT

[Tacul]

Ok thanks so not the 7950 GT or anything?

[Taxation]

get a 1900XTX, you dont need SLI or crossfire atm, a 1900xtx will run every game with plenty of eye candy, my 7900gt does the job for me, just dont skimp on the amount of ram, get atleast 2GB :wink:

[GN]

umm, yer. X1950 XT is better then the X1900 XTX mate.

Who cares, any X19** will do the job.

[Tacul]

ok thanks X1950 XT it is then

[Taxation]

all depends on how much money you have.
if you can just afford a 1950 and end up with 1GB ram, i would downgrade the gpu and up the ram to 2GB's

[Tacul]

Ok thanks i can afford the X1950 Xt with 1 Gb rab, i have 1gb of ram at the moment and seems to be ok and from the monney ill get for christmas i can probably buy another gig.

[Taxation]

make sure it is ddr2 and that it is compatable with your board and with the other RAM stick :wink:

[Tacul]

8) Ok cool i will thanks for all your help guys

[GN]

Well you could get the X1950 XTX but it costs alot.

Here is the link to make up your mind.

http://ati.amd.com/products/RadeonX1950/Products.html

[Taxation]

stop confusing the poor boy :wink:

[Tacul]

:)

[JDowdall]

wat about list going up in performance with the prices next to them so he can choose the best gfx card for the money

[GN]

Yer that seems like a good idea.

Here it is:

ATI PCI Express Products:

Radeon® X1950 GPU Comparison:

.................................................. .Core Speed....Memory Speed....Pixel Shader Processors....Vertex Shaders....Graphics Memory....Price in english pounds.
Radeon® X1950 XTX.......................650MHz............2GHz.. ............................48.................... ..........8.................512MB GDDR4................
Radeon® X1950 CrossFire Edition..650MHz............2GHz................... ...........48..............................8...... ...........512MB GDDR4................
Radeon® X1950 PRO......................575MHz............1380MHz ........................36........................ ......8.................256MB GDDR3................
Radeon® X1900 XT.........................625MHz............1.45G Hz.........................48..................... .........8.................256MB.................. ..........

Radeon® X1900 GPU Comparison:

.................................................. .Core Speed....Memory Speed....Pixel Shader Processors....Vertex Shaders....Price in english pounds.
Radeon X1900 XTX.........................650 MHz............1.55 GHz........................48..................... .........8........................
Radeon X1900 XT...........................625 MHz............1.45 GHz........................48..................... .........8........................
Radeon X1900 CrossFire Edition....625 MHz............1.45 GHz........................48..................... .........8........................
Radeon X1900 GT..........................575 MHz.............1.2 GHz..........................36................... ...........8........................


nVidia PCI Express Products:

NVIDIA® GeForce® 7900 GPU Comparison:

...............................Memory....Memory Interface....Memory Bandwidth (GB/sec)....Fill Rate (Billion pixels/sec)....Vertices/Second....Pixels per clock (peak)....RAMDACs (MHz)
GeForce 7900 GTX...512MB..............256-bit.............................51.2.............. .......................15.6....................... .....1.4 Billion..........................24............... ............400
GeForce 7900 GT.....256MB..............256-bit.............................42.2.............. .......................10.8....................... .....940 Million........................24................. ...........400
GeForce 7900 GS.....256MB..............256-bit.............................42.2.............. .......................9.......................... .......822.5 Million.....................20.................... ........400

[Tacul]

:) Thanks a lot guys, i guess ill go with this one as its a good card and its in my budget 8)

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/spec ... ?SAP-950XT (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?SAP-950XT)

Would everyone agree this is a good card?

[GN]

Whats your budget?

Also what are yuo going to do? Crossfire or sli or do you just want only 1 card that kiks ***.

[Tacul]

My budget for the card is 200 pounds......

I don't mind, what ever you thinks best :wink:

[GN]

ok, So correct me if im wrong. You just want one card and one card only in your system. You are not going to expant in the future and go sli or crossfire etc...

ok, if that above is correct then......

The X1950 XTX OR XT are both good cards. One is more $$$ then the other as you can see. They are like the 8800GTX and 8800GTS cards but ATI's. Now you could also get the 8800GTS. Although its a little on the ££$$£$£$£ side of things but worth it.

You can get I think, s x X1950 Pro Crossfire cards within £200 now i think. Might be wrong.

[JDowdall]

x1950 pro is about £130 and i dunoo about the crossfire edition but its probably more

[Tacul]

Ok thanks ill go for the X1950 Xt 8)

[GN]

The X1950 Pro is the crossfire edition. All you need is 2 x X1950 Pro's and you have crossfire. With all other cross fire cards, you need a master and slave card. With the X1950 Pro, you do not need a master card. Just 2 X1950 Pro cards.

[JDowdall]

i seeeeeeeee lol but hes still goin 4 a 1950 xt

[GN]

look, im giving him the options. The amont of times people say that to me and i never get the full pic. Then some random person says or you could get this. By which time i have already gone ahead and with it. I so wished that the other people gave me the full pic 1st. Soooooo im giving him the full pic so he goes not regret it.

[Tacul]

Ok ill go for the HIS X1950 Pro 8) ill get another one later when i have the monney :wink: Would i be able to play bf2142 on max settings + res and anti aliasing etc with just one of these cards?

Ill have:
Conroe E6300
GeIL 1GB (2x512MB) PC6400C4 800MHz Ultra Low Latency DDR2 Dual Channel Kit
Asrock Conroe945G
HIS ATI Radeon X1950 Pro ICEQ 3 TURBO SILENT Heatpipe 256MB

:lol: Thanks again


P.s can someone confirm for me that this mobo can support 800 MHz ram thanks :wink:

[JDowdall]

probably im gettin a 1950 pro 4 christmas they look really good 4 the price also i've got 2 reccomend that processor multi tasks really well

[Tacul]

8) Nice Ahhhhh cant wait till christmas and get my new pc :lol: im playing with a Intel Pentium 4, 1.7 Ghz at the moment lol

[GN]

Yer I was also going to get one in feb also but I might as well get the 2 x 8800GTS or 1 x 8800GTX.

[Taxation]

or get 1 8800gts
its fast enough

[GN]

yer, but would 2 x X1950Pro's be just as good or if not better or what?

[JDowdall]

i he doesnt have the money for a 8800 gts at the moment so he could get 1 1950 pro for the moment which will take on and game with medium to high settings and when you have the money he could get a another 1950 pro instead of waiting longer to get a 8800gts

[GN]

umm, we were actualy refuring to me getting the 8800GTX/GTS just then mate. :wink:

[JDowdall]

oh rite sry :lol: im a bit slow.... :oops:

[GN]

Right thats it. Im appealing for the sig for all people to be chenged to there system before they post anymore. This is getting insane. How are we supost to know what components people have unless we interigate them. It would be far easyer if all new users had in there sig there system spec. We should also make a catagory on the top of the forums called START HERE and a forum named READ BEFORE POSTING!!! Here should have the rules for the forums and also a step by step guide as to how to make there sig.

The reason why im saying this is simple.

Tacul has just put in the last few posts this here as folllows:


Ok ill go for the HIS X1950 Pro ill get another one later when i have the monney Would i be able to play bf2142 on max settings + res and anti aliasing etc with just one of these cards?

Ill have:
Conroe E6300
GeIL 1GB (2x512MB) PC6400C4 800MHz Ultra Low Latency DDR2 Dual Channel Kit
Asrock Conroe945G
HIS ATI Radeon X1950 Pro ICEQ 3 TURBO SILENT Heatpipe 256MB

Thanks again


P.s can someone confirm for me that this mobo can support 800 MHz ram thanks

Now I dont supose anyone has been to the Asrock website and taken a look at his mobo that he is getting/got???? "Asrock Conroe945G "

Well for those who are disabled I have put a link here: http://www.asrock.com/product/ConRoe945G-DVI.htm


Tacul. Is this the correct board that you have or are getting???

If so then STOP THIS TOPIC NOW FOR 10 SECONDS!!!! This board does NOT support SLI, and does NOT support Crossfire.

So, if you really want this mobo you will need only a single PCI-E GFX card. So there for It will be better off if you get the 8800GTS or GTX or to get the X1950 XTX.

Sorry about this Tacul.

[djgandy]

Before you dissapoint yourself with SLI, what resolution do you play on?

[GN]

lol, as much as my glasses will alow me lol pmsl. :lol: