View Full Version : I'm starting to really go off Windows Vista...
I've been pondering whether to go to vista over the past few weeks, and quite frankly, i'm getting somewhat concerned about it!
Take a look here:
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/p ... _cost.html (http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html)
now, look up tilt bits - these when set will restart the sub system of the computer, great if i'm in the middle of a game or something. Tilt bits can be set when something is detected 'out of the norm' so bye bye xxxMhz on your overclock I would guess, not sure if you would then need a reinstal or what...?
The drivers in vista are polling the hardware 30 times a second, tell me that won't slow my experience down!! I know why, but really, they are expecting us to pay for these things?
I think its starting to take a step a bit too far...
Oh and those are just the things I found in past two day, you then have Creative literally forced to bring out a vista patch to re-route EAX calls on their Xi-Fi to openAL standards, kind of hoping they will let it work with Audigy 2's... Oh, and using onboard realtek ?? don't hold your breath there either!!
/sigh
Nox
teknokid
24-01-2007, 06:39 AM
:O. that does sound rather concerning. why not do a multi-boot for now?
:O. that does sound rather concerning. why not do a multi-boot for now?
I hmmm, don't really see tha point in dual booting two of the same OS's - ie windows and windows :) They should just get it right really - windows has been around for ages - they could of got away with using a toggle switch when installing your os 'yes please, no drm and I never want to watch HD-DVD's' or the other, but they just try to over-simplify things.
And not entirely sure if bit-locker encrypts an entire disk/partition or what yet!
Nox
teknokid
24-01-2007, 03:29 PM
hm.. with the extra ram usage wld 2gb of readyboost compensate?
Do you want my honest opinion? Do NOT get Vista................... Yet.
hm.. with the extra ram usage wld 2gb of readyboost compensate?
I don't think ready boost will compensate for anything - its works differently to regualr memory so its not really possible to compare - a large app will still use the pagefile, for example. ready boost drives only store the sub 1mb files that are accessed, and then not all
Nox
deathhaggis
25-01-2007, 07:58 PM
I'd be wary of the hype around readyboost until I've seen more reviews. I cant believe it'll be anything like the substitute for 'real' RAM that we've been promised.
With regards to Windows Vista itself I've been running RC1 for the last 3 months and IMO it's awesome. I've found it to be more stable than XP and the interface is much better. Ordered Vista Premium 32-bit OEM as yesterday so should get it in a couple of days.
teknokid
25-01-2007, 08:38 PM
okay. well ill stick with xp and order 2gb ram and vista at the same time.
I've found it to be more stable than XP
I've heard this a lot, but i've only ever had unstable experiences with XP when something is overclocked too far - bit confused unless no-one else is running a 100% stable XP? and you can't really get more stable than 100%... more likely *something* thats making it unstable isn't installed... yet...
Nox
djgandy
26-01-2007, 01:59 PM
I've found it to be more stable than XP
I've heard this a lot, but i've only ever had unstable experiences with XP when something is overclocked too far - bit confused unless no-one else is running a 100% stable XP? and you can't really get more stable than 100%... more likely *something* thats making it unstable isn't installed... yet...
Nox
Ditto,
I never have problems with XP, or even windows 2000 and windows NT.
I BSOD'd quite a lot in once NT because my mobo was past it, but windows 98 wouldn't even boot!
I can't even remember seeing BSOD's in XP, side from overclocking as you say. That's not the O/S's fault though.
Microsoft made XP too good tbh. Well for their likings anyway :P
yeah 2000 was pretty good too, tho my nt was fairly unstable - mostly as i had dual cpu's and insisted on installing a ripped to shreds version of directx 4 on it.
Nox
teknokid
26-01-2007, 05:46 PM
myns always been 100% stable!
djgandy
26-01-2007, 10:06 PM
yeah 2000 was pretty good too, tho my nt was fairly unstable - mostly as i had dual*cpu ('http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/products/a561x1y0z1p0s0n0m0')'s and insisted on installing a ripped to shreds version of directx 4 on it.
Nox
dx4 :O
I could only ever get dx3 on it :(
teknokid
26-01-2007, 10:19 PM
well then you didnt look hard enough :p
djgandy
28-01-2007, 01:29 AM
dx4 was never released afiak. MS skipped it since dx5 offered a lot more. No games used dx4 so it was useless anyway :S
asteroid
28-01-2007, 05:29 PM
my findings with vista
Free AVG 7.5 isnt compatible.
cant load on my Nvidia drives even tho have pukka Vista ones.
3d user interface isnt that great
its slow (ok I only had 512mb of ram but still...)
shutdown button is in a not very obvious place
From UI point of view the Linux distros have always been a little bland and not very innovative, wonder if Ubuntu and co can make a better job of a 3d animation User interface?
teknokid
28-01-2007, 06:48 PM
u make it sound so good lol.
Taxation
09-08-2007, 09:25 AM
heres another reason to get cheesed off
http://theinquirer.net/?article=41577
if this happens anyway
How very, utterly, incredibly stupid of them.
I really can't see any advantage in moving to Vista, XP is tried and tested, is easier on resources and still has support for everything!
djgandy
09-08-2007, 11:13 AM
heres another reason to get cheesed off
http://theinquirer.net/?article=41577
if this happens anyway
Well this is not MS's fault. This has to happen at some stage. How can older cards be programmed to support features that don't exist yet?
Most people who bought a DX10 card bought it for the DX9 performance (I hope)
Taxation
09-08-2007, 01:13 PM
talk to people expecting dx10 for crysis
djgandy
09-08-2007, 01:23 PM
Well if crysis is releasing in nov then it will most likely be written according to dx10 standards. Considering they wouldn't have 10.1 to test with it would be very hard to write for.
I'd say crysis is finished now and in heavy testing and on its way to be published etc.
Micael456
23-09-2007, 10:32 AM
In my opinion, Vista has improved a LOT since it first came out, I had a beta version of the OS, which jsut sucked beyone belief, BSOD'd every time I had a webcam plugged in etc, but now that the Retail copies are out, I'm finding it to run great- it's perfectly stable, looks good (and if you don't like the eye-candy you can just turn it all off to really boost your speed), and hasn't BSOD'd once (my- and others- XP counterparts Blue Screening far more often).
Especially as SP1 is scheduled to come out in Jan/Feb, I'd say Vista is definitely going to stay.
Those who are trying to run Vista on a machine which can't handle it- well not to sound harsh: but what did you expect? It's like trying to run XP on a 500MHz machine with 128MB of ram and expecting things to run smoothly.
I've got the Novatech X60i, and haven't had any issues with the graphics side of things either (might help I have a DX10 card but still).
Overall, I'd say that it's really harsh to judge Vista unless you yourself actualyl have it- there was just as much bad feeling when XP came out (anoyne remember all that whining about "compatability mode"?- and now it's here to stay.
Coops
24-09-2007, 07:21 AM
Yes i remember the days of complaining about Windows XP thats why i suffered deju vu when Vista came out =)
I run Windows Vista and i have no issues with it really. A few little bits here and there but nothing to complain about. I think the key here is actually having a system that can run it. The biggest problems i have seen is people trying to run it on systems that just will not handle it and then blaming Microsoft for not making it so there system could run it. But that defeats the whole point which is to move on. New things get bigger and better but they need more power to achieve this so of course your hardwares got to get better.
When you have seen BioShock in DX10 then you understand =)
hmmm i am thinking of putting vista on my new build,do i?dont i?
Jonny2Bad
07-10-2007, 08:47 PM
Do you want my honest opinion? Do NOT get Vista................... Yet.
wb GN think we might be missing your input these days!!!
Tharpe
02-11-2007, 12:51 PM
Vista needs far more ram and a greater CPU/GPU then xp so you shouldnt expect too much of a slow down if you have the specs!
also i know a few people who have over clocked their CPU who own vista.
i think what they mean by out of the norm is programs not hardware. cos the CPU is obv Hardware :)
Tharpe
02-11-2007, 12:53 PM
Yes i remember the days of complaining about Windows XP thats why i suffered deju vu when Vista came out =)
I run Windows Vista and i have no issues with it really. A few little bits here and there but nothing to complain about. I think the key here is actually having a system that can run it. The biggest problems i have seen is people trying to run it on systems that just will not handle it and then blaming Microsoft for not making it so there system could run it. But that defeats the whole point which is to move on. New things get bigger and better but they need more power to achieve this so of course your hardwares got to get better.
When you have seen BioShock in DX10 then you understand =)
yeah thats right, from what ive heard the main source of people saying "oh Vistas rubbish" etc... are those who dont bother reading the specs on the box!
i'm waiting for the next version of windows :D
Nox
DoctorJellybean
10-11-2007, 11:09 AM
i'm waiting for the next version of windows :D
Nox
You won't have to wait too long for that, it is called Vienna and due in 2008/9. As for Vista, I'll wait till the release of SP1. The main issue seems to be with drivers, and hogging memory.
Ubuntu? Hmm, might play with that.
Taxation
10-11-2007, 11:54 AM
i thought sp1 was just full of security updates??
DoctorJellybean
10-11-2007, 12:03 PM
It is my understanding that it will include new drivers too, plus some fixes. Don't quote me on this tho'.
Jleagle
10-11-2007, 12:03 PM
It seems to me that vista was just to fill a gap in the market, because they hadn't released anything new for a while, like ME. There isn't alot of new stuff in Vista really, they have just revamped all the UI. I believe the next version will be very good like XP was compared to the previous major version.
I was planning on buying vista just for dx10 but threads like this make me wonder weather its worth it.
DoctorJellybean
10-11-2007, 12:05 PM
As it stands now, DX10 doesn't work properly. Apparently there will be no updates for DX10 as they are working on DX11 to fix the bugs of 10. Go figure.
It seems to me that vista was just to fill a gap in the market, because they hadn't released anything new for a while, like ME. There isn't alot of new stuff in Vista really, they have just revamped all the UI. I believe the next version will be very good like XP was compared to the previous major version.
I was planning on buying vista just for dx10 but threads like this make me wonder weather its worth it.
Personally, I reckon Win2000 was one of the best OS's out there, a little behind Workbench and AmigaDOS.
Nox
Coops
13-11-2007, 10:10 AM
As it stands now, DX10 doesn't work properly. Apparently there will be no updates for DX10 as they are working on DX11 to fix the bugs of 10. Go figure.
DirectX is being updated in Vista SP1 to Version 10.1
Vista is very stable. I have had it BSOD on me a few times, but this was due to the manufacture lovley programing skills in writing simple but **** drivers.
You can even beleve it or not, get vista onto a P2 system. I have done this, but only if you have 384MB or 512MB instlled in the system..
Regarding to coops post a while back, were he said about people blaming microsoft about the slow o/s etc.. its actualy there pc etc... he is correct. Idealy for vista to run nice, you need at least 1GB of DDR2 667 RAM, an Intel C2D or AMD X2 or equivlent, and a good motherboard, SATA Hard Disk. ok, and a nice high end GFX card :D
As it stands now, DX10 doesn't work properly. Apparently there will be no updates for DX10 as they are working on DX11 to fix the bugs of 10. Go figure.
DirectX is being updated in Vista SP1 to Version 10.1
Yer, Iv been seeing this when running our GFX tests. Id rather use DX9.0c then 10 at the moment. SP1 should sort everything out im sure of it. :D
Jonny2Bad
27-11-2007, 03:19 PM
Yeah but then all our nice and lovely dx 10 cards arent compatible with dx10.1, and programmers have to embrace dx10.1 also before any1 see's any gain from anything. Ah what a liberty lol!!!
JDowdall
27-11-2007, 05:02 PM
Hey i've just thought of a good thing about Vista
It gets people off those bloody **** integrated graphics things
Or, you could just download the latest firmware / driver for your GFX card when SP1 comes out ;) im sure the GFX card manufactures have the RC for SP1 and im sure they are writing up lovey drivers for the support of DX10.1.
Tharpe
29-11-2007, 02:45 PM
dont you need a completly new DX10.1 Graphics card if you get the update?
i heard the DX10 cards dont work with the update?
Jonny2Bad
29-11-2007, 04:07 PM
So far i think so but that is only when developers start to program in dx10.1 so dont think it will bother too many people just yet.
Tharpe
30-11-2007, 12:35 PM
it might be possible to download a driver for them but who knows?
Its all theorys, we will all know when its releaced.
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