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Hey all,
I have just got my Striker II Extreme back from Novatech returns. I am getting annoyed now!
This board behaves exactly the same as the last board did. It restarts within 5 minutes of running a 3D application! What is going on?
I need help now, and bad.
The first board I got did exactly the same thing, I returned back to Novatech, they reported graphics corruption etc and that it indeed was a faulty board. I have now got another one, and this one does EXACTLY THE SAME THING.
I asked Novatech to fully test the board before sending it out to me. They obviously haven't as this board does exactly the same thing!
I have tried swapping gfx cards, and ram again to no avail.
The only other thing I can think of is my PSU is bad. But Novatech did concede that the last mobo got graphics corruption etc.
This situation is entirely UNFAIR and taking the pee!
Not only am I extremely angry with Asus, but also Novatech this time. I asked them to test it, they said they did, sent it back to me. And voila, another duff board. I am extremely dissapointed.
IainK
05-12-2009, 04:19 PM
maybe your psu is breaking the boards? or you have some faulty hardware that works, but takes out the motherboard in the process.
I dunno. It's just odd. My original board had freezing issues, nothing else.
I have two gfx cards - tried both so it isn't that.
I have three kits of ram.
I am going to install older display drivers - just incase. Just incase. Though I haven't read about them causing pc's to restart.
My Zalman 1000 watt psu should be rock solid. If I still get problems, I am sending both back to Novatech and they can sort it out. It can only be either mobo or psu now.
I am sick and tired of the whole situation, with limited support from Novatech.
EDIT - I don't think it's psu as Intel Burn Test doesn't crash it at all. And it just crashed with older drivers.
I know it isn't: -RAM, OS, HDD, GFX cards.
Could a bad cpu be doing it? But then sureyl it would crash in IBT?
Bad psu? But surely it would crash during IBT?
And it's not temps, as the gfx cards and cpu are below 50.
And I am asking nicely if someone can help me here. I am really at the edge of a nervous breakdown.
I am running 3Dmark06, incase it restarts at a particular test. Maybe it will help you help me to see what's wrong?
EDIT 2 - Ok! 3DMark06 ran fine. The game that's causing my pc to restart is DEvil May Cry benchmark (as in the benchmark sub-section here). So I am hoping to god that it's a directx problem?
EDIT 3 - PC restarted yet again. But I had completed 3DMark. and had just connected an ethernet cable, and starting to browse the net. So it isn't gfx card.
Must be motherboard again. :(
system7
06-12-2009, 08:56 AM
NVidia 790i, at least in Asus implementation is a known trouble-maker or perhaps heart-breaker would be a better word. I think I'd try a dual-core on it, particularly a Conroe like an E6700 given the quad and 45nm CPU issues on it.
Latest bios and Windows 7 might do better than the flaky NVidia Active Armor firewall which installs in XP if you don't untick it.
Desperate times call for desperate measures. :huh:
Yeah. But it ran alright with the q6600 and both vista 32 and 64. I've had a long discussion with Sally and we've come to the conclusion that the psu is probably faulty. Because whilst rummaging around I noticed a low crackling noise coming from the psu. The pc was switched off, but I could hear a noticeable crackling type
noise. Ive now disconnected the psu as I don't want that blowing the rest of my rig. With it disconnected to my board it makes a different noise now. I am almost certain something is wrong. I put my ear to other computer's psu's in the house and they are totally silent.
I am going to return the power supply on Monday. I don't have any spare psu expect for a winpower 550 watt, but no keen on risking that. I may have to replace the psu first, then try again, if that's dead it's the mobo again.
I regret not going for an x48 board so much! But to be honest, when this rig worked I really liked it. Stonkingly fast. But you're right, they are heartbreakers. A good way to bring simons to the edge of a breakdown, lol.
I can double check the notes on this one (if you PM me with the order or return number) and see if it was tested, but I will say that if our returns dept guys said they tested something then they normally have. Obviously there is always room for human error but it'd be very unusual.
Thanks Mike, Sally said she'd look into this for me.
It just doesn't make much sense. This latest board behaves exactly the same as the last board. This board has supposedly been tested working. But the same issue as the last happens. But the last board was tested faulty by Novatech.
If I had a spare psu then I'd be made. I could be certain then if it's mobo or
psu. There is a noise coming from the psu anyway - which shouldn't be happening. Also, the type of noise it makes changed after I disconnected the mobo. (I switched it off first though). But the noise it made when disconnected was different to when it was hooked up to the system.
I'll pm you the details all the same if you like. Thanks.
No worries - I've got your PM and I'll have a chat with Sally if she's in tomorrow about it. Did you get the PSU from us as well?
Thanks. Yes all my components are from Novatech.
I asked Sally if it would be worth it in my returning both board and psu, just incase and to save time. Sally said that could incur an inspection charge if the motherboard isn't found faulty, but they found it faulty last time with this problem, so I think I will send both psu and motherboard. If you guys don't find a problem on the motherboard, then I'll at least know that it's alright.
I have different ram kits, two gfx cards and multiple hard drives. It isn't heat, so it must be either mobo or psu.
The two hardest to diagnose as well. :) unfortunately the only spare psu I have is a winpower 550 watt bought from novatech about 2 years ago. But as I told Sally, I'm not 100% if that's entirely reliable. Plus I'm not sure it could handle the board, the q6600 and one gts 250? If you think it might be worth it to try the winpower in my rig to check, it might save us all time?
Admittedly the Winpower PSU isn't the highest spec PSU in the world, but it will atleast let you boot etc. As the issue is with graphics it might have a problem at that point because of the PSU rating. But it's worth a go anyway.
If you're happy to try this and it's still inconclusive then I'll use some discretionary power and say that as long as the your PSU and motherboard are within warranty and are not user damaged we won't charge you an inspection fee to test both together.
I'm willing to try the winpower psu tonight. Just incase it does save me postage money, and your engineers time. The gfx card is a gts 250. The writing on the side of the psi is as follows:
output:
+12v1 18A max
+12v2 18A max
+5v 28A max
+3.3v 30A max
-12v 0.8A max
+5v/SB 3.0A max
The graphics card I have is a BFG GTS 250 1GB OC. I have searched the Internet and I don't think the winpower will run it? If you think it'll be alright I could give it a try.
Edit - just been on bfg site and they reccomend a 475 watt psu with 26A on the 12v rail. Plus the winpowernhas only a 4 pin CPU power lead, whilst the striker's socket needs 8? So no
point trying?
Hmm you're right - that doesn't look as if it'll run that card especially as it has no 6 pin power connector. It was worth considering though just in case.
Anyway, I'll look into this tomorrow for you and have a chat with Sally. I'll then come back to you ASAP.
Thanks. Which number should I phone tomorrow morning? I would be much much happier if I sent both power supply and board back. I would then know which(or both) was faulty.
There is a slight buzzing coming from the power supply, even when disconnected from the motherboard. When connected to the board it made more of a buzzing/crackling noise. But all the while quite low. You can't hear it unless you put your ear at the back.
I reckon I've received a faulty board again. As the last board I got from return did exactly this. And Novatech found that one faulty too.
I don't have spare boards or power supplies that would work with the rest of the rig. But I have established that it isn't heat, ram, hard drive. CPU? Well like I said the previous board ran 12 hours prime no errors and intel burn, so I've kind of ruled out psu out as well. It isn't a software or driver issue as I've done a clean reinstall, tried different drivers, plus there is no bsod or error, just a restart as if you hit "reset".
I would therefore appreciate it very much if I could post both motherboard and psu to Novatech, you can test both individually and fully. Replace with manufacturer if neccessary, and then test the returned goods (as Asus are having a real issue replacing faulty boards with other faulty boards it seems) and only then I want both power supply and board back.
I have had to pay £18 last time to post the last motherboard, which was supposedly working according to novatech's engineers. That £18 plus the postage costs this time shouldn't have to be paid by me. Granted, I don't mind paying for posting the psu out this time, but I really am miffed at having to pay £18 to post the motherboard out again for the third time. I really hope therefore that I won't be charged an "inspection charge" by you.
I don't want to come over wrongly, as Sally has been very very helpful, and I'll be sure to thank her properly when this is sorted(which i hope will be sooner rather than later). But I'm sure you understand how frustrated I am about the situation.
Anyway, I'll be looking forward to hearing from someone tomorrow regarding how
to proceed.
You wont' have to phone in to us tomorrow - I'll look into this and then PM you back or post here :)
Thanks. If you want any more info, just ask. :xsmile:
I've PM'd you some return details etc.
I regret not going for an x48 board so much! But to be honest, when this rig worked I really liked it. Stonkingly fast. But you're right, they are heartbreakers. A good way to bring simons to the edge of a breakdown, lol.
I know what you are feeling. Had a 650i Asus board that just gave me problems, later learnt that Asus themselves take the Nvidia referance design and change it. It was the reason why the 680i P5N32-E Sli would only OC a Quad core to 3.2Ghz, as Asus skimped on the power phases.
BTW just to confirm my PM to you - we are happy to collect both the PSU and the motherboard - all you need to do is call the number I advised and our customer services guys will take care of the rest.
@Asce. I know. I've read so many horror stories, but my original board was a dream. Ran perfectly out of the box. (until it broke). But as far as I'm concerned, they can replace it.
@Mike. Thanks very much. I just hope that Asus pull their finger out this time. I'll write a short letter to the returns guys, so that they know what's going on. Like I asked before, can Nova ensure that the board works in all situations before sending me the replacement.
Asus have seriously gone down in my books.
Desertmonk
07-12-2009, 08:21 PM
can Nova ensure that the board works in all situations before sending me the replacement.
I understand how annoying it is when you pay money, get all excited waiting for it to come and th- uh, oh... it doesn't work.
But I'm sure you know there are millions of hardware, driver and software combinations and unfortunately some just don't play well together. Short story shorter, bear in mind Nova probably can't stress test your mobo for hours and test it on every game you have with the components you have.
Oh... xmas themed smilies... >>>
True, but this setup went together nicely for a year. The board then started having problems a month ago, and the system jut ain't working with the returned boards. I returned thnlast one and that was tested faulty by novatech too.
I am only sending the psu back this time becuase of the fact that I don't have another to test. But both boards I sent back to date have been tested faulty, and with different hardware than I have. The last board had graphical corruption with bot ati and nvidia cards.
Desertmonk is right in that we cannot test the board with everything, but we can certainly test it as much as we can. Although my notes are fairly comprehensive I'd certainly suggest that you include a request in your letter for testing after the board comes back from ASUS just to reinforce the request.
I'm sorry, I misunderstood desertmonk a bit there. I thought that he was saying that the system I've got wouldn't work together, hence why I went on about it being together for a year. It's hard Reading stuff from an iPhone screen, plus it keeps autocorrecting stuff.
I've got both board and psu packaged now. Bit of improvisation with the psu, but it's properly packed and protected.
Edit- called this morning at 09:05 and it'll be collected tomorrow. A bit disappointed that they couldn't sort it out to be collected today, but oh well.
Well it seems that I nor my power supply was at fault. Novatech tested a faulty motherboard again. Never again will I buy Asus. They have truly let me down. :td:
Really glad its all sorted mate
Well I at least know that it is the mobo again. But we'll see if Asus can sort it third time.
system7
19-12-2009, 03:11 PM
FWIW, I watched a tutorial on overclocking by Loyd Case at ExtremeTech on this board. He was VERY cautious on how far he pushed it...LOL
It's very well known that overclocking Quads above 3GHz and using high DRAM ratio the memory controller degrades very rapidly with Striker NVidia chipset boards. It's a turkey.
I believe Asus, along with most everyone else abandoned making 780i/790i NVidia boards. Too many failures. :eek:
Aye, cheers for that info mate. It seems I was really lucky to receive a working board at all the first time.
3ghz is fairly easy on it with no uppings in the voltage. Beyond that and it's a turkey like you said. I know of someone who ran a Q6600 at 4ghz under water. However, he did have a heavily modded cooling system on the board. Even watering down the voltage regulators on the board. :eek: He ran it alright for a year until he sold it.
There are plenty of people running high dram:fsb ratios with the board. People with a 1:2 ratio is quite common. I had some great info from a guy on the Corsair forums. He said that a lot of the nvidia boards were experiencing memory controller degeneration.
I initially ran the board with 4 sticks of 1gb 1333 mhz Corsair. And ran them at a 1:2 ratio, as this is what the board automtically set for them. The guy did tell me that running the 4 sticks at 1333 and not a reduced 1066 bandwidth had started the degeneration of my mem controller, and he told me to RMA the board.
I, thinking better of this carried on for a few months with 2 sticks of 1600 stuff. Which was alright until recently when it was freezing more and more often. As time passed it started freezing more frequently. Tested the board with different RAM and still freezes, it turns out that the guy off the Corsair forums was correct. Very knowledgable man/ woman.
When I do get it back and if it works I'll see if it works at stock, then try 3ghz. though I'll keep the RAM down at 1066 at a 5:4 or even a 3:2 ratio. (Don't want it degenerating and have to send it back summer 2010)! Depending on the cooling on the NB and SB I may try for higher as I could run the quad at 3.5ghz on the original board quite coolly. Ill see if I have the heart.
I just hope I'll get a working one now. Total waste of time so far.
system7
20-12-2009, 08:44 AM
This memory controller stress thing is an issue for CPU makers too. FWIW, the new C3 stepping of the Phenom 965BE has a beefed up onchip controller that is capable of running 4 sticks @DDR3-1333, where previously it downclocked to DDR3-1066.
Deep business, m8. You gotta know what you're doing with extreme overclocking and fast memory. :cool:
Apparrently some people have reported it on the X58 chipsets now too. I guess you're asking for trouble running 12gb at 1866mhz lol. That's what this guy from another forums told me. He'd been right with my issue so I believe him. A very knowledgeable guy, pity he isn't on here actually.
The joke is though that I did so much research into this board and ram timings etc that I know the bios like the back of my hand.
Like I said if it stable at stock I'll try 3ghz. I'll then have a look at nb and sb temps. It shouldn't need a big boost to reach 3ghz.
Who knows, by the time I get a working one back I may have lost heart and would be glad just for a working pc. :)
but I do blame nvidia a bit here as at stock it defaults all ram I have regardless of speed to a 1:2 ratio. So even if I hadn't overclocked, it was still running at a high ratio.
But you know what it all comes down to in the end? Pre-purchase research. I only read a handful of reviews, and went for it. God know that whatever my next system will be it will have to have been out for q good few months to be road tested by the public, and not only for a morning by review sites. :p
system7
20-12-2009, 04:07 PM
It's an interesting subject, and we ran into the 4 sticks downclock issue (And the fact that Dual's overclock better...) some time back on Jonny2Bad's Striker board:
http://forum.novatech.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3671 (http://forum.novatech.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3671&highlight=striker)
I run just two sticks at 3:5 on my little Asrock Intel G41 board. 1:2 isn't stable when overclocking 200MHz E5400 CPU to 266 MHz. So I don't get the full DDR2-1066 speed, but I anticipated that. I'd have more hope with a 333MHz E8400 CPU. :)
sniperdude
20-12-2009, 05:27 PM
won't they consider changing the board outright for another brand cje ?
45nm quads do fare better with these boards though. Quite a lot of pads on the xtremesystems forums with q9550 at the 3.8ghz to 4ghz (watered obviously).
It seems all rather annoying in retrospect. Once it had started to degenerate nothing was going to work. I lowered to 1066 with 2 sticks and it ran alright for a few days. Then started freezing.
The problem is that I am quite a persistent fellow. If it should work, then it should. This board has serious issues with OCZ ram. I am not aware of a single person that has got this board to work with OCZ stuff, even at stock.
It's a bad chipset, made even worse to Asus making changes to the reference design.
Inwas tempted to get hold of a 45nm quad to see if it plays nicer. But my q6600 ran sweetly till the mem controller degenerated, so once I get a working board back I'll be happy enough.
won't they consider changing the board outright for another brand cje ?
If Asus can't fix it, then that's what I will be dmanding next. This is their last chance. They've had it 3 times now.
My contract is with Novatech, so novatech should make sure they sort it out. When a mix up like this happened with BFG, they apologised, and upgraded my cards, even upgrading my other working 9800gtx+ so that I could SLI both. That is service. Asus on the other hand just don't care.
sniperdude
20-12-2009, 05:50 PM
at the risk of making an "inflammatory post" whatever one of them is
this is one of the reasons i don't buy as much hardware from NT as most here do
the returns policy leaves the customer waiting while the Item is repaired while other retailers
(no names) will just swap the board for a new one or refund if that isn't in stock.
am not saying they don't have good customer service cos they do great customer service
but waiting as you have then having to wait again is slightly unfair more so just on top of Xmas.
Also none of the engineers or returns team NEVER reply to your emails. They email to tell you that the board is faulty and will be returns to manufacturer. You reply nicly, and ask something and they never reply. It's only because of this thread and a pm to Mike that they arranged collection.
And I explicitly asked Novatch to thoroughly test it the last time. It was confirmed that the board was in 100% working order. It wasn't. The last 2 times novatech's so called engineers or technicians have tested it and found no fault.
What gets me is that the problem they found when I sent the boards back was totally different from what my problem was.
The original board hada degenerated memory controller. Novatech couldn't boot it.
The second board started fine, but restarted after 10 minutes of gaming. Novatch found graphics corruption. Board three did exactly the same thing then. So after talking with Sally and Mike it was blamed on my power supply. So both got collected.
I got an email last week telling me that they had tested the board faulty, as it did the same thing with test psu. I replied to the email sent by Richard Duff, thanking him for letting me kno, and if they could properly test th power supply in the meantime. Just incase as it did make a little noise. And I STILL haven't even received an acknoledgement.
I don't think I will be buying hardware from Novatech again because of this. The customer is left in the dark and you have to stamp and kick your feet just to know what's going on. This policy might work with returns that run smoothly, but in a situation like mine where the manufacturer isn't doing their job. Novatch should step in and try to sort it out.
My contract is with Novatch and NOT with Asus. Therefore in my opinion I don't think Novatech have done enough to sort it out thus far.
And just for the record, I have actually received better service from the blue guys where a certain ex-nova employee worked. Granted, some peoples experiences might tell otherwise but when I returned my 9800gtx+ an employee stepped in and had words with BFG and as I mentioned, I got the cards upgraded.
Not wanting to double post, but thought I'd mention that after contacting Novatech today, they have sent me a new board from their stock.
Two months is quite a long time, anyway, faith in Novatech restored! Let's see if the new one works. :)
But Asus have been very very poor. Boo Asus :(
snakedoc
21-12-2009, 06:20 PM
Been following this thread, good luck with this one.
Jonny2Bad
21-12-2009, 08:48 PM
Only with the nvidia chipset did asus totally screw up my intel board is very good, the striker series was a dog, i had the 680i version and coupled with a quad it really was a pointless board, swap the cpu for a 8500 and all your worries would be gone i feel. But a x48 would have been the better choice your right.
@snakedoc, thanks. Yep, hope I get a good one :)
@johnny
Yep, i was going to go for a MSI X48, last minute changed to this one. Stupid boy eh.
But believe it or not. It ran my Q6600 rather trouble free for a few months. I'll only be running 2 sticks this time, so I don't think the ratio will make much difference. Though I will run it at 5:4 or 3:2 as it won't do much difference to performance, in the hope that this one will last longer.
I just hope it won't be DOA.
Only with the nvidia chipset did asus totally screw up my intel board is very good, the striker series was a dog
Both the 6*0i and 7*0i are dogs for Asus. It doesnt help that the memory controller Nvidia used on the 6*0i were absolute rubbish. Dunno if it was changed on the 7*0i as i havent touched them.
Hi all. Small update. I've got my power supply back today, and it keeps restarting.
It's a new board this time, so my money is on the psu.- or some other problem. Might be my hard drive or CPU.
I've been on the phone with tech support all morning. We've tried running it out of the box, different ram and gfx card. Checked bios settings etc. It keeps restarting as it loaded windows. When I tried reinstalling windows it retarted during install and now it says BOOT MGR not found.
However since this has gone on for so long, and all components are from Novatech, they're going to treat this as a self build and take all of it back. This is also a brand new board, so I can't think what's wrong. Maybe faulty psu all along. I don't think no one tested the power supply the last time. They're sending out a box so I can send it back.
This is a right doozy of a problem.
Thanks Novatech, hope this'll get sorted!
system7
23-12-2009, 03:45 PM
Hmm, well there is one long shot: The CPU may have degraded from overclocking too.
You might try upping Vcore 0.1V, disabling C1E and EIST power saving and see if that helps.
Just a thought. :huh:
Could be, but it wasn't overclocked and working fine for the last month of operation. And the "faulty" boards I had before at least booted into windows.
I've stopped playing with it now anyway. Don't want to lose any more sleep over it. Novatech are very kindly sending a box up so I can send the whole complete system down to them.
I don't have another processor or power supply to test you see, that's the whole problem.
Anyway, with Novatech having the complete system they can test it all for me.
But if it turns out that the power supply is faulty, as I sent that back the last time, and I don't think no one tested it. They found a fault with the last board, so were assuming that my psu was alright.
Thing is, I don't have a spare power supply nor a spare processor. My diagnostic ability is therefore rather limited in this situation. I really hope the motherboard is faulty, although unlikely as it is new! We have to be looking at the power supply or something else. Now Novatech will have it all on test, sparing me sending one thing after the other.
I think Novatechs staff will be as happy as me when this is sorted, lol.
Just a small update, incase anyone was following or interested in this thread.
I was informed that the system is working fine now, all the engineers did was swap the ram to slots 2 and 4. (this is a common issue with Asus boards and ddr3 apparently).
Now the guys at Nova claim it to be stable, and is in the post tonight! Should get it tomorrow!
After running it for a few days and if all is well, I am not sure if I'll bother getting the CPU back to 3 ghz.
Plans are to hopefully get a pair of ssds in raid 0 and win 7 and a 26" monitor. The two gts 250s will be happy in game for a few years at decent resolutions I hope.
Jonny2Bad
27-01-2010, 08:02 PM
Fingers crossed for you buddy ;)
TheMadDutchDude
27-01-2010, 08:18 PM
Great news. I hope that this works out for you mate. You've had on going issues for a while now. It's time you got a fully functional system again!
Cheers lads. Yep, this rig hasn't worked since mid-October.
Have been solely dependent on my crumbling P4 system and my iphone till now.
Will be crazy mad if it'll work. I don't know if I'll even OC it again. Might just leave it at stock, get a pair of Intel SSD's and enjoy.
Though 3ghz would be a sweet spot with the two gfx cards. But then again if I'm raiding a pair of SSD's, I don't want the controller messing up. (Might be wiser to forget OC'ing and get a Q9650) We'll see.
TheMadDutchDude
27-01-2010, 08:36 PM
Cheers lads. Yep, this rig hasn't worked since mid-October.
Have been solely dependent on my crumbling P4 system and my iphone till now.
Will be crazy mad if it'll work. I don't know if I'll even OC it again. Might just leave it at stock, get a pair of Intel SSD's and enjoy.
Though 3ghz would be a sweet spot with the two gfx cards. But then again if I'm raiding a pair of SSD's, I don't want the controller messing up. (Might be wiser to forget OC'ing and get a Q9650) We'll see.
If you want my honest opinion, don't invest in an old and dead socket. Save your cash and try to move up to i5 or i7 depending on your budget. Sell what you and just try to deal with the losses.
Although, the intel SSD that I have in my laptop is freaking incredible. It boots into Windows faster than my 360 goes from being off to the dashboard and that is with a laptop!
Yeah, I won't blow £200 on an old processor. Not as if I'll gain that much in 600mhz.
But, I am really really tempted in getting the two SSDs. If I buy win 7 retail, RAID both. Enjoy a fast pc, that will play games for a year or two yet. I'll be getting a 26" monitor with a 1920x1200 res. My two 1gb sli cards will cope alright I hope, if not, I'll game at a lower res. I don't play games that much now anyway. Working 9-5:(.
It would be nice to go i7, but with the ssds the system will be adequately fast for my needs. Which will be music, blu ray and Internet.
The long term plan is to save up till I can afford i9 or if possible, to skip straight to the next socket, or if AMD conjure something up in about 2 -3 years.
Does that make sense to anyone? Or would you guys still suggest i7? Tbh, I think in the long run, I'll have a still pretty fast pc that will hammer through what I need it to do and I can have a new 26" to watch movies.
Andrew Moore
27-01-2010, 10:14 PM
Putting things in pespective.. an i3 530 is faster than a Q6600 in nearly all areas (review on bit-tech) and costs £90...
Now tell me its not worth the upgrade.
Andy
Hey man, fair point. But like I explained elsewhere, I cannot be bothered. I know many many people sell and buy 2nd hand stuff, but trying to shift a notorious board with a bit of uncertainty, I'm not going to sell it for much really.
Since my main use of it will be movies, music and the odd little game, I think a 26" monitor, ssd and win 7 will act as the system's last upgrade.
What I'm hoping is that it'll last till i9 or even jump socket architecture so that I can save all the while and go crazy on a totally new system then. :cool:
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