Hardware Hunt

[Oscar99]

Okay Folks, i'm looking for a little help.

i'm wanting the following:


Motherboard (has to support DDR3 ram & AM3 Setup)
Memory (DDR3, preferably i want 2 x 2gb sticks)
Processor (Preferably Dual or Tri-Core & AM3)


All for £190!!

If it goes over £190 (which i know it will) i don't mind.

[A Ginger Sheep]

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[Oscar99]

Is 2gb okay to run Windows 7 & most games ?

[A Ginger Sheep]

Is 2gb okay to run Windows 7 & most games ?

it will run it but idealy you would want 3gb plus, but budgets and what not.....

[Oscar99]

yeah suppose so, i mean it wouldn't be that long before i could upgrade for more memory anyway :)

[A Ginger Sheep]

well just splash out on a 4gb kit, possibly delay getting a cooler so that you can afford it then pick that up later?

[Oscar99]

its possible to run a processor without a cooler :| ??

[A Ginger Sheep]

it comes with a stock cooler.

[Oscar99]

it comes with a stock cooler.

ah i see, i've been recommended to leave the cooler & splash out on the extra ram, which i probablly will end up doing..

EDIT: OP has been edited.

[A Ginger Sheep]

yeah thats what i said basically, so you should be good with what i posted but with a 4gb kit which will bring the total cost to about 240.

[Oscar99]

Can you tell me a bit about MSI, are they reliable ?

i've only ever had ASUS motherboards.

also, i'd like to make it clear, I only want AMD & Nvidia capable hardware

Intel Fanboys are banned from this thread :D

[A Ginger Sheep]

that msi board is very highly rated which is why i choose it. also dont go in being narrow minded ie amd/nvidia only as its a completely stupid mindset to have, you should go for where the value lays and what suits you best.

[Oscar99]

what suits you best.

i believe that is AMD processors & Nvidia GPUs :)

nah but seriously, i dont want any intel chips etc as i dont have a clue what i'm dealing with, same goes for ATI cards.

[A Ginger Sheep]

and you had a clue what you were dealing with when you first used amd/nvidia? are you that old that your past learning?

[Oscar99]

and you had a clue what you were dealing with when you first used amd/nvidia?

My dad used to build & maintain the pc's in my house.

EDIT: also, i don't have the financial backing to buy things to learn from, so really i don't want to take risks with things i've never had in the past.

[A Ginger Sheep]

really though, its not exactly as if your learning another language. what is it that your afraid of?

[Aegis]

really though, its not exactly as if your learning another language. what is it that your afraid of?

PC noob,

He is a 17 yrl old who is still at school, he has already stated his dad used too look after the computers but he is no longer around,

He has only ever known amd and nvidia, he has said he knows nothing about intel or ati.

£240 is a lot for a 17yr old still at school too spend so naturally he is going too go with what he knows.

Badgering him is doing nothing for his confidence at all.

[A Ginger Sheep]

and im not lecturing him, ive been talking to him on msn there now and he understands what i mean. also its not as if its impossible for someone with no previous computer building knowledge to build a computer. as i said to him i never touched the insides of a computer before when i built my computer and its not as if i come from a privledged background or have a job, im also still in school and i am still 16 so its not as if im talking down to him as if im an old pro, just someone who was in the same situation only a handful of months back.

[Oscar99]

@Aegis, Taken the words right out of my mouth :)

Also, i'm sure most people have been brought up with the view "Stick to what you know" at least as a child, i was always told that.

But anyway, lets be civil, i just want an AMD processor, i won't be upgrading my graphics card as i don't have money, so for now i'm keeping my GeForce 9600, very well ATI are better & i do know this as a gamer, however they do cost more.

It's not as if i can't get money together to pay for pc parts, it's just i have other financial commitments such as CSS Servers (which can be expensive) & also a very demanding girl :D

More Recommendations are welcome.

However, school tomorrow so it's bedtime for me.

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

@Aegis, Taken the words right out of my mouth :)

Also, i'm sure most people have been brought up with the view "Stick to what you know" at least as a child, i was always told that.

But anyway, lets be civil, i just want an AMD processor, i won't be upgrading my graphics card as i don't have money, so for now i'm keeping my GeForce 9600, very well ATI are better & i do know this as a gamer, however they do cost more.

It's not as if i can't get money together to pay for pc parts, it's just i have other financial commitments such as CSS Servers (which can be expensive) & also a very demanding girl :D

More Recommendations are welcome.

However, school tomorrow so it's bedtime for me.


there are no nvidia AM3 motherboards. SLI requires royalties/contracts or whatever thus AMD doesnt support it where it is not an open platform. intel support SLI to keep it open to their customers also nvidia would nearly be out of business otherwise.. this is likely to be one of the biggest factors to people choosing Nvidia cards to which cpu they go for.. though if it helps you can still use nvidia cards on and amd board and you can use them for physX on the AMD motherboards as part of a multi card setup too

im sure there are many people who have bought newish systems and said.. you knwo what.. i would go AMD but im not as i want SLI..

crossfire afaik only needs more than 1pcie lane and 2 crossfire capable cards.. thus is an open platform.

so i recommend that you, with your budget if you want AMD should seriously consider ATI considering you are adamant you want AMD you should surely know that ati=AMD?. there are cards such as 4890's going for around the same price as the 5770 and unless you want dx11 they easily beat a 5770. so it really depends on what youre looking for in a platform.. £190 isnt a lot of beef due to ram prices skyrocketing and financial commitments such as servers etc is your own choice really this is something you chose to do with your income so it would be wise to save more for a little longer? and make sure your new GF doesnt find out your holding out on her :P


Also, i'm sure most people have been brought up with the view "Stick to what you know" at least as a child, i was always told that.that is one of the most BS piece of info i care never to hear again tbh.. that is philosophically boring.. unimaginative and i never expected you to say something like that tbh.. never trying something new? i always felt that taking risks is what makes life.. not sticking to what you know.. sticking to what you know turns you into something i care not to think about.. change is life.. we all make mistakes but when it comes to buying something.. surely you should realise there are legal implications that protect you as a buyer? if youre not happy with it return it within 7days :)

its all your choice really im no fanboi of nothing but value really but i find it pretty obnoxious to ask for a recommendation then completely ritz a reply with no real grounds to.. its understandable to be critical to a suggestion but completely negating it is a bit silly..


Aegis

PC noob,

He is a 17 yrl old who is still at school, he has already stated his dad used too look after the computers but he is no longer around,

He has only ever known amd and nvidia, he has said he knows nothing about intel or ati.

£240 is a lot for a 17yr old still at school too spend so naturally he is going too go with what he knows.

Badgering him is doing nothing for his confidence at all.


If it goes over £190 (which i know it will) i don't mind.

when i was 17 i had more disposable income than i do now!! whats age got to do with it? i agree it should be pointed out that ultimately it is the OP author's choice in what he chooses to do but i never really saw a post that deserved that.. all i saw was PCnoob trying to explain his recommendation.. which is a pretty good thing to do no?

also i think oscar has pretty much got enough confidence to speak his mind anyway and a little badgering will never hurt anyone ;) except maybe a badger.

@ oscar.. if you are in need of a decent upgrade at that budget i will ask whats most important? cpu power or ram.. there are some pretty good boards on the DDR2 platform and you can still get a decent AM2+ mobo (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?ASU-M3NHDM)with AM3 cpu with 4gb of ram in your budget.

try this
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?MSI-770C45
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?AMD-X3425
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?RAM-313334
comes to £190.96

hope this helps :)

[Oscar99]

Thanks for the recommendation Death, however i do have my reasons to stick with AMD, but to avoid an argument, i shall not mention them.

Also, Aegis is completely right in what he said, so i don't think people should be commenting really, this thread is almost starting to turn into a Personal Attack thread.

But back on topic, Death's recommendation is the type of things i want :)
however i think ill go for branded memory, unless someone can tell me that Novatech's memory is ok :) ?

[Aegis]

Hi oscar,

I have used novatech memory and never had any trouble with it, the memory that death suggested is good memory i have some myself.

I dont do much overclocking so i cannot say anything about that but if you are going to overclock i am sure there are others on here who could help in the area.

[Oscar99]

Okay thanks, i will probablly get the Novatech memory then, should another deal fail , then i will end up getting death's recommendation.

[A Ginger Sheep]

Also, Aegis is completely right in what he said, so i don't think people should be commenting really, this thread is almost starting to turn into a Personal Attack thread.

sorry but i personally think that i was right in everyting i said, really if anything aegis is out of order for taking a dig at me when all im trying to do is help you and encourage you not to be narrow minded. also i dont see agesis coming up with any real suggestions other than to buy cheap generic ram to cut costs which i wouldnt recommend if you are for overclocking the cpu which you should as it is a very good overclocker. and if your not for overclocking then you may as well not bother getting that cm 212plus either as it will be wasted.

[Oscar99]

i don't think people should be commenting really, this thread is almost starting to turn into a Personal Attack thread.


I have used novatech memory and never had any trouble with it

& I wont be overclocking.

This thread has got out of hand, and as a result, i ask a mod to, CLOSE THIS THREAD

[A Ginger Sheep]

well for you i would ditch the cooler and go for the generic ram. should be a pretty sweet build so it should for gaming on a low res with a 9600gt, hope you enjoy it.

[jonbanjo]

and you had a clue what you were dealing with when you first used amd/nvidia? are you that old that your past learning?

I think there can be more to it than that...

Personally, apart from amd working for me and I've no reason to change what works, I do tend to view Intel as the MS of the processor world and I prefer not to support them.

nvidia is a touch different. I've found their (OK proprietary) drivers for Linux work well and have no thad the same joy with ATI. There may come a time with amd owning them that I do like them but not yet for me.

[Mechanics Fan]

Can you tell me a bit about MSI, are they reliable ?

i've only ever had ASUS motherboards.

In my first build I have an MSI board (as shown in PC2 below) and have found it to be reliable and it overclocks well. In fact it has a jumper which can set the FSB at 200, 266 or 333.

I've not had an AMD board as yet, but would love to try one someday.

Good luck with your build.

John

[Aegis]

sorry but i personally think that i was right in everyting i said, really if anything aegis is out of order for taking a dig at me when all im trying to do is help you and encourage you not to be narrow minded. also i dont see agesis coming up with any real suggestions other than to buy cheap generic ram to cut costs which i wouldnt recommend if you are for overclocking the cpu which you should as it is a very good overclocker. and if your not for overclocking then you may as well not bother getting that cm 212plus either as it will be wasted.

PC noob,

I am sorry you feel that way, what i said was in no way meant too be an an attack or a dig at you.

I was just very badly it seems trying too explain the ops position. who is not fortunate enough too have the knowledge that you do and is not experienced enough in all things too do with hardware,his father did all that side.

I did not reccommend the memory, death9000 did that in the build he suggested for the op, i was just replying too the ops question as too whether novatech memory was any good, i use it and have no trouble with it, i also said i dont overclock so i could not say anything about that, but i did say if he was going too then there were others on here who could help him with that.

i apologise if this has caused you any offence or harmed your reputation, that was not my intention, i will think very carefully in future before i reply too any other post for fear off this happening again.

Aegis.

[snakedoc]

Closing thread at OPs request.