Ultimate Cooling

[teknokid]

For my new pc, cooling is all that matters.
As you properably know, im going for 8x120mm of radiatorness.
To go with that its all gonna be linked to a BIgNg t-balancer and the water add on.
I was looking for cheapish POWERFUL fans, and it looked like Yate loons @ 60CFM for £4.50 would be the best.
But, i found these http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductI ... tID=590758 (http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=590758)
The noise doesnt bother me, what do you think? good fans or not?
Thanks

[system7]

You are bonkers, mate, Sorry.

Get a case that will take a front 120mm intake fan, a rear 120mm exhaust fan, and a decent power supply and you are home and dry. Something like the Jeantech Titan case will do. Get quiet fans. And water cooling is a waste of money. :lol:

[Taxation]

you obviously dont know teknokid.

[Jonny2Bad]

you obviously dont know teknokid.
Lol obvy!!!!

[teknokid]

why is water cooling a waste of money? can you get a quad to 4ghz on air? you can on water! also I dnt care bout noise, ill just ru.n thedm at 50% most of the time.

[system7]

teknokid, I would doubtless be VERY impressed by your system. Would like to see a picture of it too.

Let me rant a little...

1. Water and electrics don't mix. Every engineer knows that.
2. Whilst you have improved the cooling on the processor, have you considered how the motherboard voltage regulators are being stressed here?
3. Since all modern games are designed to run just fine on standard hardware, what's the point of overclocking anyway? It only shortens the life of components.
4. Why spend 10 times as much, for double the performance?

I kinda know where you're at. I used to spend a fortune on HiFi just to get that last ounce of detail out of the sound. But in the real world, you might to better spending the money on a new kitchen to keep your old lady happy. Then she keeps YOU happy in a more profound way. Life is a question of balance and tradeoffs... :lol:

[JDowdall]

ah well you see teknokid has to make up for his inadiquacies with said old ladies so he has too make up for them in other areas :P

[Taxation]

ah well you see teknokid has to make up for his inadiquacies with said old ladies so he has too make up for them in other areas :P

I think someone needs therapy :wink:
Why do people overclock?? because they want the maximum performance from their machine.... just like cars

Water and electronics i agree is bad, but if done properly can be a good thing

10 time price for double performance??
overclocking is usually used by people on budgets to get their £100 cpu to run like a £250 cpu.

[system7]

Taxation, we mustn't get personal here. We all do this for fun. :wink:

Suppose you bought a cheapie Asrock 1333 Conroe motherboard, and a CPU cooler suitable for an E6750.

Well most times a cheapie 1.6GHz E2140 will work just as well as a 2.66GHz E6750, with a little overclock. I love it. It makes perfect sense. You've saved £60. Word is most E2140s will even go up to 3GHz. I'd even try it myself.

But that is just exploiting a little quirk in Intel's current model market positioning. It's not the same as taking components into untested and stressed territory. I see a difference.

[djgandy]

You are bonkers, mate, Sorry.

Yes he is. He is oblivious to the balance required to create a good system. It's a very american approach to engineering :P IE throw loads of "good s**t" at it and hope it'll work.

4ghz on air? Piece of cake, just wait for yorkfield :)

No offence, but with your asus mobo fiasco it about says it all. Your mobo cost 7x the price of mine and i got more o/c out of mine :)

Overclocking is a fun game, but YOU need to do more research. There are plenty of forums around which will happily assist you. There is a lot more to it than just buying water cooling.

[djgandy]

3. Since all modern games are designed to run just fine on standard hardware, what's the point of overclocking anyway? It only shortens the life of components.


Kind of true, but only when you are actually pushing to the physical limits of the cpu. If we're talking E4300 to 3Ghz I don't think this rule applies.



4. Why spend 10 times as much, for double the performance?

spot on. Just like hifi, 10 times the watts (and price) for double the sound level. Unless you own a night club there is no need fo it. Same with computers.

I don't think you have a cooling problem tekno. Do some more research. It may be your motherboard. G0's have almost touched 4ghz on air. Wait till yorkfield comes out. With an approx 10% IPC increase a 3.6/7 yorkie will equal a 4ghz kentsfield performance wise, plus it runs cooler and will hit 4ghz on air!

[Nox]

1. Water and electrics don't mix. Every engineer knows that.
2. Whilst you have improved the cooling on the cpu, have you considered how the motherboard voltage regulators are being stressed here?
3. Since all modern games are designed to run just fine on standard hardware, what's the point of overclocking anyway? It only shortens the life of components.
4. Why spend 10 times as much, for double the performance?

Let me reply a little:

1. who said anything about mixing them, they are meant to be kept seperate, but in the same chassis, just like a car...
2. who cares, see point 3 (shortening components lifetime)
3. not true, some games are designed to have a lifespan of *** years, look at everquest 2 - when that came out no computer on the planet could play it at its highest settings. Overclock and you were JUST getting playable framerates in quiet areas. 2 years later and an 'average gamers system' can handle it fine outside busy areas. And re shortening the lifetime of components, they will be shortened but lets face it, say its by 50%, no gamer will keep their cpu/mobo for 5 years, 2 years tops, then its relatively worthless and the entire system will be replaced.
4. Its nearer +£200 which when you spend £400 on your whole system is a huge amount, relatively. When its half the price of your gfx card alone, relatively, it isn't.

why not overclock? why not have a faster system for much less money? the board is being run within specs, you are changing bios options not replacing resistors/pencil mods for more voltage. you could go out and spend £500 for a cpu, or go spend £100 for one, overclock it and have a much faster system, which pays for your water cooling, which you then have for years if designed correctly.

Some members of this forum it is their major hobby, its what they love doing. Yours may not be, mine may not be, but I can't see the point in flower arranging as a hobby - it looks like flowers, then they die, but i would get flamed big time if i went and posted that on a flower show forum :D

bottom line 'free speed' and lets face it, its not the worst hobby/addiction out there to be spending your cash on...

Nox

[Nox]

tho... around about the £200+ on water cooling i'd start thinking about phase change... Serious performance then.

Nox

[djgandy]

tho... around about the £200+ on water cooling i'd start thinking about phase change... Serious performance then.

Nox

My thoughts exactly. WC for mild oc/quiet. If you are serious though even a single stage will give quite a big gain over water.

[teknokid]

a few things i wanna clear up:
1. You can get non conductive coolant, that WORKS!!
2. I know there's problems with my motherboard, as i overclocked my e6600 happily, and asus recognise the problem.
3. Standard Phase change units burn out with heavily overclocked quads.
4. i will water cool the VRM's and mobo.
5. even if the component doesnt last as long, it will still be out dated when it goes.

so there it is!

[teknokid]

This is what my pc will look like- the top rad, i am also gna run seperate loops for cpu and mobo+gfx card(s).
http://www.custompc.co.uk/news/601306/d ... vadim.html (http://www.custompc.co.uk/news/601306/dream-pcs-2007-vadim.html)

[system7]

I am very impressed teknokid! Thanks for the share.

And I think I know when to shut up... :wink:

Good luck with it, mate. :D

[Nox]

1. You can get non conductive coolant, that WORKS!!

barely, after a while the oil starts to congeal and clag up. This stops it circulating as much and stops its ability to cool. So yes it works, but not well - not as well as air or water.

unless we are thinking about different fluids?

Nox

[teknokid]

what do you mean it doesnt work as well as air or water?
im thinking along the lines of this http://www.aqua-pcs.co.uk/feser-one-uv- ... -184-c.asp (http://www.aqua-pcs.co.uk/feser-one-uv-coolant-184-c.asp)
thanks for support :)

[Nox]

oh that stuff!! i thought you were talking about the stuff you can completely submerge your PC in :D

Nox

[teknokid]

lol, no, that would be pretty cool though, koolance did it with a psu

[Nox]

submerged it? or you talking about their water cooled one? If the latter it was a good effort with a lot of bling, but they are atleast 2/3 years late to claim to be the first :D Was prety expensive from what i remember and had an external rad? well, hanging off the back anyway...

Nox

[teknokid]

yeah, the psu was submerged and used an external rad

[teknokid]

this is a demo of the coolant im after
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd7_A9v4K00

[Tye]

You are bonkers, mate, Sorry.

Get a case that will take a front 120mm intake fan, a rear 120mm exhaust fan, and a decent power supply and you are home and dry. Something like the Jeantech Titan case will do. Get quiet fans. And water cooling is a waste of money. :lol:

GOD U R MAD MATE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :oops: :oops: :oops: