Which processor?

[cns]

Hi, I have an e-machines 2220 with a 2.70 gigahertz Intel Celeron
8 kilobyte primary memory cache,
128 kilobyte secondary memory cache,
Motherboard is D845GVSR

Is it possible to upgrade this processor? and if so what could i upgrade it to?

Thanks in advance for any help

[Danc1978]

the motherboard in this pc is a Intel® Desktop Board D845GVSR its a socket 478 motherboard so i dont think upgrade is an option i am afraid unless you can source a 478 socket cpu from somewhere, apparently it takes up to 2.8ghz

[cns]

Thanks for the reply,

If it will only take 2.8g then there isn't much point in pursuing it :(

Is there any upgrades i could do to speed it up a bit :?:

Thanks

[Taxation]

how much RAM have you got
What gfx card
When was the last time you ran a disk clean-up/de-frag??

[Jonny2Bad]

Probably better to change motherboards and chip the celeron is the lowest class of intel chips, its kinda cheaper or more sensible to start replacing core parts rather than add backward parts to such an old mobo!!
Even the offer that novatech have on this would give you a massive boost for only £80
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/spec ... MBB-AM301G (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?MBB-AM301G)
and would also leave you able to upgrade more with out spending money on backward parts!!

[cns]

how much RAM have you got
What gfx card
When was the last time you ran a disk clean-up/de-frag??

1272 Megabytes Installed Memory
Slot 'J6G1' has 1024 MB
Slot 'J6G2' has 256 MB

RADEON 9250 pci 128 mb

Ran clean-up/defrag just afew days ago and do so regularly,

Jonny2Bad,
Might consider changing the board, but to be honest I would't know which would fit/work and be a decent upgrade on what i already have.

Thanks for the replys and help

[Jonny2Bad]

Well if you wanted to upgrade a bit i would probably advise a barebones bundle it really depends on what you use your pc for and how much your willing to spend!!

[matz]

I would advise a Core2Duo Range or a Pentium D if intel or an AMD X2 4000+ series of CPU's this is for the casual gamer and normal needs from a PC if your wanting more go for a high Core2duo like an E6750 or a Q6600

remember if you do upgrade the cpu you will have to upgrade mostly every component that is hooked on it, so the motherboard cpu and ram in an all in one upgrade. Check the barebones and bundle deals on novatech and other websites to see what your looking for :wink:

[system7]

Novatech, bless 'em, do a couple of 478 replacement boards that give you the graphics slot option:
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?ASR-P4I65G#
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?ASR-P4VM90

Add a better power supply, say 400W, and it might make a stopgap. You can reuse the Windows license number on the back to reinstall XP if the original motherboard has failed... :D

Or you can go for the big upgrade in the eMachines case, as the guys suggest:
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/1263/asrock1333finishedxp0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[wuyanxu]

is that a 92x38 fan at the back??

im looking for 38mm depth fans, so i can push more air through my case.

[system7]

The main trick with older eMachines cases is to open up the side vents to get some airflow going. Takes some snipping. The older cases take 80mm fans, the newer ones can take 92mm as well. eMachines were too stingy to even fit casefans on older models, but the socket is there on the motherboard. Don't forget they must exhaust air which means label side out. And ditch the overvolting Bestec 250W PSU.
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5446/nexgenventspt1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Jonny2Bad]

How u know all about these emachines mods sys7, bet u wont buy another 1 though heh?

[system7]

Jonny, the answer is really that the sort of people who buy eMachines at places like PC World are strapped for cash, like I used to be. And not too knowledgable, like I used to be. I work hard at the Numero Uno eMachines forum because I like the people I meet there.

I get a kick out of helping them fix them cheaply when they blow up. Or upgrade them to good graphics.

And, of course, as they gain in confidence, they go on to building their own PCs from scratch.

I like to think that EMPOWERS people. Which is nice... :)

And KUDOS to Novatech for providing the best range of old Socket A and 478 replacements anywhere. Do you know you can't buy them in the States for love or money? :shock:

[Jonny2Bad]

Do u know what fairplay m8 i totally agree the more we can convert to building their own modding their own the better :)

[cns]

i'm going to get a pentium 4 socket 478 2.8 ghz 533 fsb/512kb cache,

I know it's not a massive upgrade but it should be better than the celeron,

Do they all come with HTT? or do some have it and some don't? because i don't want to get 1 with HTT and it not work,

I'm sure my chipset 845gv supports HTT,

Thanks for any help

[system7]

If it's a Northwood FSB 533 processor, there's a good chance it will work.
I am pretty sure that any socket 478 512MB cache Pentium is going to be Northwood. The Prescotts had 1MB cache and won't work on your motherboard, partly because they need a different voltage.
http://support.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/d845gvsr/sb/CS-026968.htm

Do tell how it goes. I don't know anyone who has done this yet. But it'll be a bit quicker for sure. :D

Not sure about the HyperThreading. I would guess it's supported.

[Lustral]

Only the 3.06Ghz 533Mhz Northwood supported Hyper-Threading

2.4Ghz and above for the 800Mhz Northwood versions

Lusty

[cns]

Hi,

Thanks for the reply,

it is a northwood fsb 533/512, but it says its HTT and i don't know for sure if it will work,

Lustral

Just seen your post, are you saying the 2.8ghz is not HTT then?

Cheers

[system7]

Yes, the thing to watch is that the motherboard doesn't support FSB 800 Northwoods.

So in summary, we're saying Socket 478, FSB 533 and 512KB cache and it'll work.

Sorry, I mixed up my MB and KB there, again... :lol:

[cns]

No, 800 is no good, it needs to be max 533

[system7]

Yes, I follow that. I've got the same motherboard as you. But only the 3.06 GHz FSB 533 Northwood supported Hyperthreading.

Something here doesn't add up.

[cns]

Yes, the cpu im looking at says 'HTT' but it's looking like it can't be,
I can't find another below 800 fsb with HTT :? :?

[system7]

Where are you looking?

Spec sheets can be wrong.

Lusty's right on the HTT bit. I just checked:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_4#Northwood

[cns]

Or it is an 800 not 533 :? :?

[cns]

This is the exact description copied & pasted

Intel 2.8GHz P4 HT Northwood Skt-478 Processor SL6PF

Marked 512/533 China

533 FSB

512Kb Cache

68.4W

75 deg. C rated
478 pin

1.525V core

0.13 micron manuf. technology (Northwood)

[system7]

Not this rather pricey item is it?
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?IL-P428800

That's FSB 800, like my own Pentium 3.0 GHz which runs on a different chipset.

[cns]

Not this rather pricey item is it?
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?IL-P428800

That's FSB 800, like my own Pentium 3.0 GHz which runs on a different chipset.

No, it's not that, and no where near that price, if it was that much i wouldn't be considering buying 1 :D

[fynn]

i just done a basic upgrade on an e3260 that my mum gave for my daughter, was origionaly a 2.8 celeron on a intel 845 gvsr mobo, and changed it for a pent 4 2.66 cpu on a intel 845glc mobowith 1 gig of ram and an ati 9550 agp card, and i was lucky it only cost me a £5 for the board and cpu, and it runs nicely, at the mo my daugther spends all day watching scooby doo dvds on it............lol

[system7]

Sorry, mate, we cross posted there. SL6PF.

http://processorfinder.intel.com/Details.aspx?sSpec=SL6PF

That's Northwood 533. It's fine. Go for it. No HTT.

[cns]

i just done a basic upgrade on an e3260 that my mum gave for my daughter, was origionaly a 2.8 celeron on a intel 845 gvsr mobo, and changed it for a pent 4 2.66 cpu ('http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/products/a561x1y0z1p0s0n0m0') on a intel 845glc mobowith 1 gig of ram and an ati 9550 agp card, and i was lucky it only cost me a £5 for the board and cpu ('http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/products/a561x1y0z1p0s0n0m0'), and it runs nicely, at the mo my daugther spends all day watching scooby doo dvds on it............lol

Iv'e got 1.25 ram and radeon 9250, but don't want to change the mobo at the mo,

system7,

Thanks for your help i'll get it and let you know how it goes, is it simple enough to change?

[system7]

Piece of cake.

Wiggle the cooler a bit from side to side to loosen it from the processor. Unclip the cooler:
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/3875/barecpurw1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Lift the lever to swap out the processor.
Put some new heatsink paste on it and put the cooler back.
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/8324/finalresultoy5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I used a Novatech Thermaltake Cooler as a quiet replacement. :D

[cns]

Thanks for that,

So i don't have to change anything in the bios or any other settings then?

I'll let you know how i get on

Thanks again

[cns]

Is this the same as heatsink paste?

'Novatech Thermal Grease Compound'


Cheers

[Jonny2Bad]

Its pretty dire stuff though buddy you want a silver compound the novatech stuff is the rubbish white stuff. Or was last time i checked!

[cns]

Cheers mate,

Would my local computer shop stock it do you think?

[matz]

artic silver 5, 3.5g will do aload of the cpu heatsinks

im not quite sure but you could if they sell online.

i got mine from ebay for £4

[cns]

Thanks, i'll have alook on ebay now :D

[cns]

Update:

Put the pentium 4 CPU in with no problems, thanks for the help :D

Bit faster performance but not much

Cheers

[system7]

That's good news. I found going from a FSB 400 Celeron to a FSB 533 D335 Celeron helped on my Asus board.

Your next bottlenecks are the 256MB of PC2100, you can now run say 512MB of PC2700.

And replace the 5,400 rpm drive with a 7,200 rpm.

Or even get a socket 478 motherboard with a graphic slot.

But don't throw a lot of money at it. You can get this stuff secondhand. :D