New Gaming/VM Build

[Djinni]

Hi,

Building a new PC next month (ready for Uni in September) was looking for some thoughts, advise, tips etc... maybe from people that don't base their opinions solely on World of Warcraft performance.

Things I already have:
External USB Creative Live 24-bit soundcard,
Microsoft Media Centre remote control,
Creative 5.1 surround sound speaker system,
Samsung 2233RZ 120hz 22" 3D screen + glasses,
Samsung 226BW 60Hz 22" screen,

What the machine will be doing:
I will need to be running up to 5 simultainious Virtual Machines (typically 2 or 3) running graphically based simulations, a little bit of graphical design in Adobe and playing WoW with FRAPS and pretty much everything maxxed out pretty much whenever I'm not at Uni, browsing the web, listening to music watching movies all that jazz. It would be preferred to have an NVIDIA graphics card as I plan to use my old 22" Samsung SM-2233RZ ( http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/p...2cmfkfven.html ) and run a few progams in 3D. (Yes I already have the Stereoscopic glasses :P) - Unless I find someone to sell this to for a reasonable price before I purchase my system.

Gaming includes:
World of Warcraft, StarCraft:Original, StarCraft:BroodWar, StarCraft2, Crysis, Crysis: Warhead, Crysis2, StarWars:The Old Republic, StarWars:Knights of the Old Republic, BioShock, BioShock2, Halo, Halo2, Stargate:Resistance, Warcraft 3, Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne.

I would like to expand my current 2 screen setup to a 3 screen one (which would mean I can also drop the keyboard down to a less expensive one since I wouldn't need the LCD screen on it anymore to monitor who's talking on Ventrilo.) Preferably in a way that would allow me the option to game across all 3 (not a requirement since it would only be for showing off, unless I find I really like it.)

What I'm looking for from you:
Information!:
Will there be any significant advancements that would change the specs of the machine I buy between now and september?
What suggestions for upgrades do you have, and can you build it cheaper.
Additional opinions on other hardware:
I need to try and reduce the build cost somehow, by substituting various components for cheaper ones with close to the same performance.



Case:
Thermaltake Chaser MK-I Tower Case - Black (No PSU)
TT-CHASER1
£116.65 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/cases/cases/VN300M1W2N.html)

PSU:
Novatech PowerStation Black Edition 1000W Silent ATX2 Modular Power Supply
NOV-PSB100
£83.32 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?NOV-PSB100)

CPU:
Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Sandy Bridge) Socket LGA1155 - Retail.
IL-I72600K
£195.82 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/processors/intelcorei3,i5andi71155socket/BX80623I72600K.html)

Motherboard:
Asus P8Z68-V PRO Intel Z68 (Socket 1155) Motherboard
ASU-Z68VP
£133.32 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/motherboards/intel1155z68chipsetmotherboards/Asus/P8Z68-VPRO.html)

CPU Cooler:
Noctua NH-D14 Dual Radiator and Fan CPU Cooler
NOC-NHD14
£56.66 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?NOC-NHD14)

RAM: 2x
G.Skill Ripjaws-X 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit
GSK-RJ8GC9
£55.83 £111.66 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?GSK-RJ8GC9)

Graphics:
MSI GeForce GTX 560TI Twin FrozR II 1024MB GDDR5 PCIe
MSI-560TF
£149.99 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?MSI-560TF)

Storage: 3x - in RAID0
Samsung Spin Point F3 SATAII 1TB 32MB Cache Hard Drive <8.9ms 7200rpm - OEM
SAM-F31TB
£34.15 £102.45 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?SAM-F31TB)

Optical Drive:
LG CH10LS20 10x Internal Blu-Ray Combo Drive SATA - Retail
LG-10LS2R
£45.82 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?LG-10LS2R)

Keyboard:
Logitech G510 Gaming Keyboard - USB
LOG-G510
£79.16 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?LOG-G510)

Mouse:
Cyborg R.A.T. 9 Gaming Mouse 5600dpi
SAI-RAT9
£88.15 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?SAI-RAT9)

Mouse Mat:
Standard Black Mouse Mat
NOV-SL6201
£1.69 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?NOV-SL6201)

Headset:
Creative HS-800 Fatal1ty Gaming Headset
CRE-HS800
£26.66 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?CRE-HS800)

Case Fan(s):
Scythe Gentle Typhoon Fan - 120mm / 1850 RPM
SCY-TP1850
£11.05 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?SCY-TP1850)

Total Basket Ex VAT: £1194.07 ex vat
VAT @ 20%: £239.81
Total Basket Value: £1438.87 inc vat


Ideally this should last 3 to 4 years after which I will be selling it on in-order to buy a new one.

Many thanks!

[Asce]

personally, if your spending that much on a mouse you want a decent mouse mat. But its worth lookng at the reviews for the RAT9 as ive heard that on some mats it doesnt track that well.

I have something like this one

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/peripherals/mousemats/razer/rz02-00210800-r3m1.html

and my RAT 9 seems to track fine.

[Djinni]

personally, if your spending that much on a mouse you want a decent mouse mat. But its worth lookng at the reviews for the RAT9 as ive heard that on some mats it doesnt track that well.

I have something like this one

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/peripherals/mousemats/razer/rz02-00210800-r3m1.html

and my RAT 9 seems to track fine.

Only spending that much on a mouse because its the only one I've managed to find that I can reach all the additional buttons on. :(

As for the mouse mat thanks, I'll look into it, but to be honest in my experience cloth mats wear out very fast (I didn't like the Razer eXactmat at all, always left my wrist sore) So spending lots of money on them seems a little pointless.

Will definitely have a look round for that tracking problem.

[12smithr]

Ok, I have the P8P67-Pro and 2 WD Cav blue 500gb in raid 0 and works perfectly,

though when i was reading through the manual i'm pretty sure it said it can only support raid configurations with total capacities of 1tb meaning you won't be able to have your 3Tb raid config with out a raid card,

That said the Z chip-set may be slightly different, also that is one of the main differences between the two (ability to have an SSD as a cache of your hard drive)

The other thing is that the 560Ti twin FrozerII is a beautiful card but the third screen will have to be attached via HDMI (mini HDMI but comes with adapter) from my experience HDMI is the worst way to connect a monitor to your pc (borders unaligned, very frustrating) especially if the monitor is a TV but if its a dedicated HDMI monitor then it should be ok. (i have 3x 20" All via DVI on a 5870 with the 3rd screen DP-DVI with the XFX adapter)

Hope this helps!! Good luck.

[Djinni]

Ok, I have the P8P67-Pro and 2 WD Cav blue 500gb in raid 0 and works perfectly,

though when i was reading through the manual i'm pretty sure it said it can only support raid configurations with total capacities of 1tb meaning you won't be able to have your 3Tb raid config with out a raid card,

That said the Z chip-set may be slightly different, also that is one of the main differences between the two (ability to have an SSD as a cache of your hard drive)

The other thing is that the 560Ti twin FrozerII is a beautiful card but the third screen will have to be attached via HDMI (mini HDMI but comes with adapter) from my experience HDMI is the worst way to connect a monitor to your pc (borders unaligned, very frustrating) especially if the monitor is a TV but if its a dedicated HDMI monitor then it should be ok. (i have 3x 20" All via DVI on a 5870 with the 3rd screen DP-DVI with the XFX adapter)

Hope this helps!! Good luck.

I was reading somewhere that NVIDIA cards only support 2 active screens, while AMD cards support as many as they have connections for? (Is this true?)

Also ok, i'll have to check that out about the RAID thing, but are you sure its not because the drive was using MBR instead of GPT?

[12smithr]

The old nvidia cards can only support 2 screens but the new 500 cards i believe have 'nvidia surround' which is apposed to eyefinity and supports 3 screens. Now the old ATI (now amd) 5000 series cards can only support 3 screens but most of the newer 6000 can support 4 which is, imo the best, 3 for gaming and one above for watching.. Whatever is just as important as gaming to you! I think you thould get the AMD 6870 http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/atiradeongraphicscards/atihd6800series/HD-687A-ZNFC.html Hands down the best priced card atm imo, (don't quote me on that ha ha.)

And the hard drives, i have no idea what MBR and GPT are though a quick search makes think that MBR is what all usual hard drives use and GPT is used for server's also allowing larger/unlimited partitions..

Hmmm... The hard drives you chose will work perfectly, you just might have to get a raid card!

[Djinni]

The old nvidia cards can only support 2 screens but the new 500 cards i believe have 'nvidia surround' which is apposed to eyefinity and supports 3 screens. Now the old ATI (now amd) 5000 series cards can only support 3 screens but most of the newer 6000 can support 4 which is, imo the best, 3 for gaming and one above for watching.. Whatever is just as important as gaming to you! I think you thould get the AMD 6870 http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/atiradeongraphicscards/atihd6800series/HD-687A-ZNFC.html Hands down the best priced card atm imo, (don't quote me on that ha ha.)

And the hard drives, i have no idea what MBR and GPT are though a quick search makes think that MBR is what all usual hard drives use and GPT is used for server's also allowing larger/unlimited partitions..

Hmmm... The hard drives you chose will work perfectly, you just might have to get a raid card!


Interesting....

http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/3dv-system-requirements-surround-technology-uk.html
says you need 2 cards for 3-4 screens....
If i have to spend any significant amount of money (more than £30) on a decent raid card, i'd sooner go for a SSD for performance and a 2tb storage drive.

MBR is Master Boot Record, basically it doesn't work properly on partitions of more than 3TB apparntly, so you have to use GPT instead.

[Djinni]

I'm thinking of getting the:

XFX ATI Radeon 6950 2048MB GDDR5 PCIe
XFX-6950TF
£166.66 ex vat (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/atiradeongraphicscards/atihd6900series/xfx/hd-695x-cdfc.html)

with the:
Sapphire Display Port to DVI-D (single link) Active Adapter
SAP-ADPA
£15.26 ex vat (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/cables/adaptersandgenderchangers/44000-02-40R.html#top)

instead of the
MSI GeForce GTX 560TI Twin FrozR II 1024MB GDDR5 PCIe
MSI-560TF
£149.99 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/nvidiageforcegraphicscards/nvidiagtx560tifermiseries/msi/n560gtx-tf2.html)

to be able to run multiple (more than 2) screens, with. Unfortunately I assume that means I wont be able to use my 3D vision kit anymore?

[Djinni]

i have 3x 20" All via DVI on a 5870 with the 3rd screen DP-DVI with the XFX adapter
Hope this helps!! Good luck.

Any chance you have a link for that adapter? or does it come with the card?

[randommagik6]

Any chance you have a link for that adapter? or does it come with the card?
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/cables/adaptersandgenderchangers/44000-02-40R.html#top

[Musthaveittoday]

Ditch the case and PSU in favour of these.

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/cases/cases/corsair/600t.html

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/powersupplies/corsair/cmpsu-750txv2uk.html


Ignore psu numbers, it's stable power that counts, and this one will give you that and probably a better power output rating overall than the cheap 1000w unit, look how much a 1000w unit in OCZ or Corsair is, it's not the name that bumps it up, it's the quality.

[Djinni]

Ditch the case and PSU in favour of these.

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/cases/cases/corsair/600t.html

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/powersupplies/corsair/cmpsu-750txv2uk.html


Ignore psu numbers, it's stable power that counts, and this one will give you that and probably a better power output rating overall than the cheap 1000w unit, look how much a 1000w unit in OCZ or Corsair is, it's not the name that bumps it up, it's the quality.

Why ditch the case? (I actually kinda like it, plus it gives me an easy way to hot swap storage drives)

Is 750 enough? a few of the PSU calculators i've used say I need at least 880W if I ever decide to add a 2nd graphics card.

Using: http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine
I get: http://i.imgur.com/pbIZk.png

[randommagik6]

I'd stick with the 1000W just to be on the safe side with all of that...

[Djinni]

If theres a real difference in quality between Corsair and Novatech PSU's I *Could* go for:

Corsair HX 1050W ATX2.2 Modular 80 PLUS® Silver Power Supply
CSR-HX1050
£124.98 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?CSR-HX1050)

But i'd rather save the money if its not really needed...

(besides my aim is to save money lol :P not spend more 8-) )

[Musthaveittoday]

Reply not relevant anymore.

[Musthaveittoday]

Reply not relevant anymore.

[Djinni]

Reply not relevant anymore.

O? how come?

(I saw the previous posts you did before you edited them to this.... and was looking your suggestions up. Why are they no longer relavent?)


Although I have changed my build a bit, gone for the SAI-RAT7 instead of the SAI-RAT9, and the SAI-V7CYBG instead of the LOG-G510. Also reduced the RAM to 8GB instead of 16GB (I can buy more if I really need it later) and changed the PSU to the CSR-HX1050.

New build plan:


Screen:
LG E2350VR-SN 23" Full HD LED Monitor
LG-E2350VR
£112.49 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?LG-E2350VR)

Case:
Thermaltake Chaser MK-I Tower Case - Black (No PSU)
TT-CHASER1
£116.65 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?TT-CHASER1)

PSU:
Corsair HX 1050W ATX2.2 Modular 80 PLUS® Silver Power Supply
CSR-HX1050
£124.98 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?CSR-HX1050)

CPU:
Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Sandy Bridge) Socket LGA1155 - Retail.
IL-I72600K
£195.82 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?IL-I72600K)

Motherboard:
Asus P8Z68-V PRO Intel Z68 (Socket 1155) Motherboard
ASU-Z68VP
£133.32 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?ASU-Z68VP)

CPU Cooler:
Noctua NH-D14 Dual Radiator and Fan CPU Cooler
NOC-NHD14
£56.66 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/cooling/cpucoolers/NH-D14.html)

RAM:
G.Skill Ripjaws-X 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit
GSK-RJ8GC9
£55.83 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?GSK-RJ8GC9)

Graphics:
XFX ATI Radeon 6970 2048MB GDDR5 PCIe
XFX-6970
£220.82 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?XFX-6970)

Storage: 3x - in RAID0
Samsung Spin Point F3 SATAII 1TB 32MB Cache Hard Drive <8.9ms 7200rpm - OEM
SAM-F31TB
£34.15 £102.45 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?SAM-F31TB)

Optical Drive:
LiteOn IHAS124-19 24x DVD+/-RW SATA Black - OEM
LIT-IHAS12
£14.16 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?LIT-IHAS12)

Keyboard:
Saitek Cyborg V7 Gaming Keyboard
SAI-V7CYBG
£47.47 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?SAI-V7CYBG)

Mouse:
Saitek Cyborg Rat7 Gaming Mouse
SAI-RAT7
£63.82 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?SAI-RAT7)

Mouse Mat:
Saitek Cyborg Glide 7 Gaming Surface
SAI-GLIDE7
£12.49 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?SAI-GLIDE7)

Case Fan(s):
Arctic Cooling F High Performance Case Fan - 120mm
ARC-F12
£3.33 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?ARC-F12)

Active Display Port adapter:
Startech Mini DisplayPort to DVI-D (single link) Active Adapter
STA-MDPDVI
£20.83 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?STA-MDPDVI)



Total Basket Ex VAT: £1272.79 ex vat
VAT @ 20%: £256.14
Total Basket Value: £1536.82 inc vat


I'm a little on the fence as to weather to drop the CPU cooler down to a CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ which would bring the build into an acceptable upper margin for budget.

I also haven't seen any reviews that have anything negative to say about the case (TT-CHASER1) other than it needs some anti-vibration pads for the PSU.

[Musthaveittoday]

I thought you'd already bought bud, your other post quotes "your" TT case.?

[wuyanxu]

absolutely no need for that 1000w PSU. even 850w will be overkill.

it's so sad to see you spend so much on all top components, but then decided to go for a cheap case and a cheaper monitor. :(

[Musthaveittoday]

The case isn't cheap, being TT it will be hot and not well made though, can you tell him to get a 750+ Corsair PSU and house it in a Corsair 650 or 600T case.

[wuyanxu]

The case isn't cheap, being TT it will be hot and not well made though, can you tell him to get a 750+ Corsair PSU and house it in a Corsair 650 or 600T case.

hay OP, do that ^

:taser

:)

what he said makes a lot of sense.

[Djinni]

absolutely no need for that 1000w PSU. even 850w will be overkill.

it's so sad to see you spend so much on all top components, but then decided to go for a cheap case and a cheaper monitor. :(

How much overkill? (I have no problem dropping the W of the PSU to save money, except that at some point I will quite likely add a second graphics card.)

I also already have 2 existing screens.

The case though, I do kinda like it.... It gives me the ability to do everything I want and looks pretty cool to boot.
Don't really need an amazing quality screen, chances are it's only going to be showing a browser most of the time.

Like I showed above, if I add a second card the estimated rating required is 923W

[Djinni]

I thought you'd already bought bud, your other post quotes "your" TT case.?

its just easier to word it that way.

My other choice of case to be honest would be the HAF X or the Antec 1200

[wuyanxu]

in that case, 850w is more than enough. my Ax850 is more than enough to do dual-580 which should consume more power than your system.

but what's up with you and ugly cases?

[Djinni]

in that case, 850w is more than enough. my Ax850 is more than enough to do dual-580 which should consume more power than your system.

but what's up with you and ugly cases?

Lol, Ugly is a matter of opinion :P To be honest what it looks like doesn't really matter so much as what it lets me do. Since i'll be looking at the monitors most of the time not the case which will be under the desk. I don't need it to be "sleek and streamlined" its standing on the floor, not taking off into the upper atmosphere. (Ironic I know give the look)

Its the Hot-Swap drive bay and the adequate size that appeals most to me about the ThermalTake case. I previously had a ThermalTake Tsunami Dream that drove me mad when I had to take out HDD bays etc.. in-order for it to fit the GTX260 graphics card.

[Djinni]

Using http://www.corsair.com/learn_n_explore

I get a PSU requirement of 650W with a single card setup and a requirement of 950W with 2 cards.

[wuyanxu]

they are a marketing company. they want you to buy more expensive PSU's. my single card they take me to 750w, and dual card takes me to 1000w's. but i know 850w can do two 580 without problem.

normally, your system will use 100w. during gaming, at most it's going to use 400w, two card will probably go to 600w. a 850w PSU is more than enough.

[Musthaveittoday]

Why go dual card, most of the SLi setups ppl go for aren't as good as a quality solo card but end up being £100 more, unless you want to 3x multi screen I don't see the point, and remember the second PCi-E slot is normally an X4 one.

Personally if you really want a good system at low cost get this


i5 2400 Grand Prix special £109
Gigabyte Z68 £82
CM 690 £55
Corsair CX 600W V2 ATX2.2 80 PLUS® Power Supply £50
Corsair Dual 1600 Vengence 8GB £70
KFA 560 GTX 1GB DDR5 oc £170


That will be ample for what you need, and around £500, 1/3 of your original build and you then just need the Desktop, HDD and Optical, with HDD look for a 6GB/s drive, the one you list is only a 3GB/s one.








Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1TB 32MB Cache Hard Drive SATA 6Gb/s 8.5ms 7200rpm - OEM x3 = £126


Logitech MK710 Desktop - Wireless = £ 75


LG BH10LS30 10x Blu-Ray Rewriter DVD+/-RW Lightscribe SATA = £67


£750 give or take a few quid.

I went ott on the blueray and graphic card, you can subtract £50 if you stick with the original choices.

[Djinni]

Why go dual card, most of the SLi setups ppl go for aren't as good as a quality solo card but end up being £100 more, unless you want to multi screen I don't see the point, and remember the second PCi-E slot is normally an X4 one.

Personally if you really want a good system at low cost get this


i5 2400 Grand Prix special £109
Gigabyte Z68 £82
CM 690 £55Corsair
CX 600W V2 ATX2.2 80 PLUS® Power Supply £50
Corsair Dual 1600 Vengence 8GB £70
KFA 560 GTX 1GB DDR5 oc £170


That will be ample for what you need, and around £500, 1/3 of your original build and you then just need the Desktop, HDD and Optical, with HDD look for a 6GB/s drive, the one you list is only a 3GB/s one.








Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1TB 32MB Cache Hard Drive SATA 6Gb/s 8.5ms 7200rpm - OEM


Logitech MK710 Desktop - Wireless


LG BH10LS30 10x Blu-Ray Rewriter DVD+/-RW Lightscribe SATA


£750 give or take a few quid.

I went ott on the blueray and graphic card, you can subtract £50 if you stick with the original choices.


Most people don't run 3+ screens. Which is why I might likely add a second card later on (when they drop a bit in price) to make the system last longer.

I thank you for your system proposal but I doubt that will last me more than 2 years.

And for reference a HDD isn't likely to be able to use more than 150MB/s transfer anyway. hence why getting a sata2 hdd leaving the sata3 connections open in case I decide to get an SSD.

[wuyanxu]

wait, there's no SSD in the system??

and RAID0 of 3 disks?

1 disk fail you will loose all your data, with 3 disk RAID0, you have 3 times higher chance of drive failures.

get an SSD and 2 normal disks.

[Djinni]

wait, there's no SSD in the system??

and RAID0 of 3 disks?

1 disk fail you will loose all your data, with 3 disk RAID0, you have 3 times higher chance of drive failures.

get an SSD and 2 normal disks.

Everyone keeps saying that... but realistically how often does a drive fail anyway? as for the SSD as I said, likely later once they have a better price:size ratio.

[Musthaveittoday]

Everyone keeps saying that... but realistically how often does a drive fail anyway? as for the SSD as I said, likely later once they have a better price:size ratio.

Quite a lot these days, they aren't bullet proof anymore, doesn't matter who makes them either, to give you an idea I use Spinpoints myself, I have a WD green 500 and it feels like WD didn't put half of the drive in it it's so light, heat kills most of them and hard re-boots when the system hangs, causes bad sector's to start racking up, and once they start they carry on unless you catch em in time and do a low level format, Samsungs EStools proggy is the best one I've used, it took one of mine from 60% health back to 100%, and didn't hang around doing it either, this is why I can't stress to you enough the importance of the right case, you need a free flowing front fanbay one to mount the drives in, then the rest of the heat never gets near them, the R3 by Fractal is a lovely case, but as it sucks in from the side in a small profile grille it also isn't a good heat killer, stand on me the Corsair's rip the guts out of anything else you can buy for £120, better management,fans,materials,design and ease of installation.

The other one I notice that is good value is the CM 690 Nvidia edition @ £75.

[Djinni]

but but but:
http://www.u-trade.org/packs/fun/maxtor-hdd.jpg

[Musthaveittoday]

That's no way to treat a DiamondMax 9 Meeeesta Bond, that was a great drive in it's day.

[Djinni]

That's no way to treat a DiamondMax 9 Meeeesta Bond, that was a great drive in it's day.

Still Dual Purpose....


And it's not that I have anything against corsair, it's a very nice case, and for a different purpose I'd probably choose it in a heartbeat, but I'm human, and I've got my mind set on the TT-Chaser because of the hot swap drive bay built in. Not to mention I haven't seen a single negative review of it.
I can live with it being 2-4degrees hotter in most comparative tests the room I'm staying in at Sheffield is pretty cold anyway.

[Musthaveittoday]

Hold the press, I cannot allow you to be fooled by flashing light's, trust me TT is like Gola to Nike is, watch this review http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IUWvNet_qQ&feature=related if that doesn't convince you who the daddy case is nothing will, I'll give you a look into the future, the TT will look tired and shabby after a year, the Corsair just like Kate Winslet will never make you go whooooahr, but it won't fade hard nor groan under the strain, and it will always retain a look of classic meets class.

If you waste your money simply because the fans change colour you need a severe beating with Ken Dodds tickling stick, those hotswap bays aren't backplaned btw, just like the Corsair they both have a hotty on the top, but both only have racks inside, they don't slide into instant connectivity, and notice in the TT reviews nobody want to show you the right hand panel off, I wonder why, no space maybe.

NOW PRIVATE Djinni GET YOUR BACKSIDE BACK IN LINE AND ORDER A 650 OBSIDIAN AT THE DOUBLE.....KWICK MAAAARCH!!!!!!! HUP2 HUP2 HUP2;)

[Djinni]

Hold the press, I cannot allow you to be fooled by flashing light's, trust me TT is like Gola to Nike is, watch this review http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IUWvNet_qQ&feature=related if that doesn't convince you who the daddy case is nothing will, I'll give you a look into the future, the TT will look tired and shabby after a year, the Corsair just like Kate Winslet will never make you go whooooahr, but it won't fade hard nor groan under the strain, and it will always retain a look of classic meets class.

If you waste your money simply because the fans change colour you need a severe beating with Ken Dodds tickling stick, those hotswap bays aren't backplaned btw, just like the Corsair they both have a hotty on the top, but both only have racks inside, they don't slide into instant connectivity, and notice in the TT reviews nobody want to show you the right hand panel off, I wonder why, no space maybe.

NOW PRIVATE Djinni GET YOUR BACKSIDE BACK IN LINE AND ORDER A 650 OBSIDIAN AT THE DOUBLE.....KWICK MAAAARCH!!!!!!! HUP2 HUP2 HUP2;)


Lol i actually really hate the lights people put on fans 8-) they give me a headache. Maybe a blue glow on the bottom fan is ok, but side front, top and rear is a bit much.

Ok, I'll agree it does look pretty good.... in terms of functionality.

http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/thermaltake_chaser_mk_i_review,8.html