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Hia people, the time has come to buy all the parts, but... as time has flown by.. so has the hardware and the cost of things has gone down... so... Please could I have peoples recommendations on the following items please...
First off, the motherboard. A DFI LANPARTY UT NF680i LT SLI-T2R.
http://www.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_produc ... 77&SITE=US (http://www.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_product_spec_details_r_us.jsp?PAGE_TYPE=US&PRODUCT_ID=5277&SITE=US)
The CPU for this will be an Intel Quad Core Q6600 4 x 2.40ghz 8mb Cache 1066 Fsb Quad Processor (this Is The One That Overclocks)
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/spec ... ?IL-Q6600O (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?IL-Q6600O)
The case, a CM Stacker (STC-T01).
http://www.coolermaster.com/products/pr ... 36&id=1048 (http://www.coolermaster.com/products/product.php?act=detail&tbcate=636&id=1048)
For the PSU it will be a Real Power M1000 (RS-A00-ESBA.)
http://www.coolermaster.com/products/pr ... 41&id=2618 (http://www.coolermaster.com/products/product.php?act=detail&tbcate=641&id=2618)
For now that will do as that’s already £500 apx.
Any comments please..
Jonny2Bad
06-12-2007, 09:37 PM
I really wouldnt go for the 680i chipset and the quad, i dont rate the 680i at all! For me x38 or p31, now the 3870's are out if your going to run 2 gpu's we dont have to stick with nvidia. The cpu and chipset just arent very compatible and the 680i slows down performance.
yer like you would notice much mate.... with the disk read and write speeded up you will notice a large speed diffrence UP^^ (im raiding ;) no way/./.// )
Striker extreme 1303 = LOL at you...
Jonny2Bad
06-12-2007, 09:47 PM
Heh just my advice, the 680i hates the quad for overclocking, just saying if I had my choice over I wouldnt bother, your going for a new build but going for an ageing chipset, can I ask why you prefer that to newer builds?
cost, and they are new and there are bugs with them, there you go.
Also i ant over clocking it.
Jonny2Bad
06-12-2007, 10:00 PM
Still bugs with the 680i, but you asked for advice and I gave it, still be a nice system which ever way you look at it, wish you well with it.
Taxation
06-12-2007, 10:11 PM
i noticed no gfx card
power supply is way too big
But the case is solid :D Ride it around like the little uns ride on bikes (the ones without pedals, but people still call it a bike, even though it isnt one
yer im going to add them in later... like wise with ram, hdd, etc...
djgandy
06-12-2007, 11:03 PM
Nvidia chipsets are junk. 680i is old anyway, really wouldn't buy it. Bit like buying a P4.
No need for such a big power supply. Parts are geting more energy efficient so it's a false economy if you think you are future proofing.
P35 chipset is a must really.
Well coming from a machine with an AMD 2600+ @ 2.0GHz with the slowest data rate iv ever seen in my life, to this, even a P4 would be better then what I have now. The reason for the large power supply, is that I’m going to be adding in everything else later on. Let me highlight on what might be getting in, water cooling, 6 disks, 8 x 120mm fans, maybe 2 x 8800GTX OC, TV Tuner card, 2 x Optical drives etc.. This needs the Wattage, and I always like to get a PSU which is high market as iv seen too many that have unstable voltage supply.
Also quick question, about 1 year ago what did you say about a 680i chipset ;) Its like when a newer one comes out after the P35 you will most likely say the P35 is junk and so on ;)
At the end of the day, i wanted to make up a high spec pc, but this never took off. Now I am back to the drawing board, why o look the cost for everything one year ago has come down in price. With modern machines these days the only thing holding back the speed is frankly the data read and write to the hard disk's. Why do you think servers use SCSI disks, coz they have a dam fast data read and write speed.
What is wrong with the 680i LT Chipset then? Does it come up with a messege stating that its ***?
Conrad
07-12-2007, 12:36 PM
Ignore these blasphemers. nForce 2 was the best chipset of its day, and so was the 680i. I have absolutely no quarrel with mine, it runs beautifully and read any decent review, the 680i is still **** good. Everyone on here just seems biased towards the P35 for some reason, I think it goes with the territory but I've managed to avoid falling for their traps thus far. ;)
The Striker Extreme was just a dud really, sooo many issues, but they were to do with Asus, not the chipset.
Jonny2Bad
07-12-2007, 12:58 PM
I loved the 680i chipset when i had my e6600 in it, they really went well together, my only advice was because your putting a quadcore with it, and seeing as ive had said match and still do I was just pointing out that if i was buying now i wouldnt get that match as the 680i really doesnt perform well with the quad compared to the p35 or x38.
No, the Striker Extreme was not a dud, it is a dud ;) The Nvidia mobo with 680i was exellent. P35 is for intel suckers who like to suck on intel. AMD/NVidia FTW :twisted:
I loved the 680i chipset when i had my e6600 in it, they really went well together, my only advice was because your putting a quadcore with it, and seeing as ive had said match and still do I was just pointing out that if i was buying now i wouldnt get that match as the 680i really doesnt perform well with the quad compared to the p35 or x38.
There are BIOS updates and revision updates that fix this i think.
(I say we pie him)
Jonny2Bad
07-12-2007, 01:03 PM
I actually have had no problems with my striker, say compared to tek who has had loads of problems, it is a dam fine board and chipset for the dualcore just dont rate it for quads.
Jonny2Bad
07-12-2007, 01:04 PM
No asus in there wisdom brought out 1305 bios fix which completely ties down the quad which is why im on 1303 for which you seem to find funny lol. pie?
I actually have had no problems with my striker, Really???
say compared to tek who has had loads of problems.
LOL, Tell me about it. He kept phoneing me up ha ha ha ha.
Jonny2Bad
07-12-2007, 01:28 PM
Yes really the only probs i really had were when i put in the quad, anything else was truly minor or me just learning my way round a very compilcated motherboard and bios, reverting back to either 1301 or 1303 (of which asus removed from their update for some reason) has sorted most of the issues i had with the board apart from it really does seem to hold back the power of the quad as it just wasnt designed for them i think. So again what does pie me mean?
So, what about this then you P35 lovers.....
You cant jip this off ha ha ha ...
http://www.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_produc ... 97&SITE=US (http://www.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_product_spec_details_r_us.jsp?PAGE_TYPE=US&PRODUCT_ID=5497&SITE=US)
Pie you means,... get a pie.... give it to technokid, he will lob it at me, which then will lanch it into your face via hitting it with my base ball bat... :D
O look found one issue already, cant to SLI Dam, too bad.
Jonny2Bad
07-12-2007, 01:45 PM
Ah nice lol trouble is you just dont know who you might be throwing pies at. :wink:
Looking at the benchmarks ati 3870 in xfire are better than 8800gt's in sli and the rumour mill is working that in jan or feb the newer ati cards are going to be pretty darn good so I would hold that thought for now, as the 2 gtx's you have in mind might not be for the best. Is that not your current rig in your sig?
Conrad
07-12-2007, 02:17 PM
Doesn't go with quad core?! Pish, tell that to my 10,067 3DMark '06 score - everything running totally standard, check my spec in my sig.
Jonny2Bad
07-12-2007, 02:24 PM
Ok well I get a score of 11078 totally standard no overclocks and we have the same specs so your being held back somewhere. Look ii'm really not gonna argue about it, as it's just my opinion as long as your happy with your machine conrad what does it matter but for me too get 1000 points more than you on standard specs should answer your own pish i reckon lol
Conrad
07-12-2007, 02:25 PM
:lol:
I'm just winding you up mate. ;) No worries.
Jonny2Bad
07-12-2007, 02:30 PM
Lol just checked my 3dmark scores conrad my e6600 beat your quads score with 10870 so i guess there is a real possibilty i may know what im talking about as my best with my quad is only 11860.
Jonny2Bad
07-12-2007, 02:32 PM
I know but i really do feel that they are not as compatible as the other newer chipsets and we that already have 680i are not getting the full on boost that we should be getting from our quads, maybe im a bit stressed today lol sorry if i am :evil:
Is that not your current rig in your sig?
Nop, was going to be my rig last year, but never took off. :(
djgandy
07-12-2007, 05:24 PM
Ok I admit it I'm a P35 fanboi. I mean I must be a raving loonatic not to want to spend £50 more for an out of date 680i chipset which offers nothing but SLI. I'd feel my money was even better spent when I want to upgrade to a penryn cpu and my over priced nvidia chipset won't have any of it.
P35 is designed for Core2 procesors. It's lightweight fast and a lot more affordable than most other chipsets. It's up to ate and overclocks nicely too.
Nforce2 was nothing special. There weren't any other chipsets to challenge it. VIA are pretty much dead and AMD didn't make chipsets. I've had 2 AX7N8-E or w/e they were which were apparnetly the best mobos out at the time. IDE was slow nothing special except a fancy badge an a nice audio control panel. My burnt out KT400 was a faster board.
Fair play to nvidia though, and Intel for X38. By charging more people think they are "getting what they pay for". Bit like E6600 Vs X6800.
If you are a raving enthusiast who needs SLI then 680i is your only option. Or wait for 780 which may actually contend with other chipsets. Personally I'd pickup 2 ati cards an crossfire them instead of out of date power hungry 8800GTX's. Combined with a cheaper better mobo thats a saving of around £300 easily.
ok, so what about this instead ;)
http://www.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_produc ... 55&SITE=US (http://www.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_product_spec_details_r_us.jsp?PAGE_TYPE=US&PRODUCT_ID=5155&SITE=US)
I get 2 x X1950Pro cards to :P
Taxation
07-12-2007, 06:06 PM
or get 2 *3850/3870's
OK MIND MADE UP.
MOTHERBOARD: http://www.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_produc ... 55&SITE=US (http://www.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_product_spec_details_r_us.jsp?PAGE_TYPE=US&PRODUCT_ID=5155&SITE=US)
2 X 3870'S IN XFIRE MODE. :p
WOOO HOOOO
Taxation
07-12-2007, 06:14 PM
how about getting the money first ey :wink:
got the money, dont worry about that.... I just need to make up my mind on what to get.. (im a bit of a perfectionist.)
Taxation
07-12-2007, 07:08 PM
how much you got for it??
Jonny2Bad
07-12-2007, 07:20 PM
There you go, result! Thats the way I think I would go if buying now, it's ok gn i'll say it for you m8 told you so lol!
djgandy
07-12-2007, 08:20 PM
or get 2 *3850/3870's
WORD
Anyone want to buy an 8800GT :P
Jonny2Bad
08-12-2007, 05:01 PM
or get 2 *3850/3870's
WORD
Anyone want to buy an 8800GT :P
What had enough of it already buddy lol?
Jonny2Bad
09-12-2007, 04:37 PM
When you getting your system parts gn?
Taxation
09-12-2007, 05:03 PM
he's been planning on getting them for a year.lol http://www.webuser.co.uk/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Jonny2Bad
09-12-2007, 05:08 PM
he's been planning on getting them for a year.lol http://www.webuser.co.uk/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Lol so we can expect another fancy sig but no actual components :shock:
Bing.... Finaly a motherboard that covers all of my needs....
http://www.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_produc ... 19&SITE=US (http://www.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_product_spec_details_r_us.jsp?PAGE_TYPE=US&PRODUCT_ID=5719&SITE=US)
Has crossfire, intel CPU, latest NB/SB and has the RAID Options.... :P What you all think???
Jonny2Bad
04-01-2008, 03:35 PM
What makes that so different than any other x38 board?
JDowdall
04-01-2008, 10:26 PM
lol owned
Has Crossfire. Has 6 SATA Ports which I can RAID.... etc..
djgandy
07-01-2008, 04:17 PM
Has Crossfire. Has 6 SATA Ports which I can RAID.... etc..
That's standard issue these days.
cumon then smarty pants.... you find me a nice looking mobo which is reliable and is not full of BIOS issues and design fults.... thats if you know what your looking at that is... ha ha ha....
djgandy
07-01-2008, 05:21 PM
Pretty much any P35 board. Let me hear of all these design faults and bios problems. I'm interested.
Jonny2Bad
07-01-2008, 05:34 PM
Oh i thought most x38 boards were crossfire and most have ample sata ports also, or is it just that you want ed a dfi board?
djgandy
07-01-2008, 05:49 PM
Oh i thought most x38 boards were crossfire and most have ample sata ports also, or is it just that you want ed a dfi board?
All new Intel boards support crossfire. Gigabyte boards have 10sata ports lol.
I think he wants a DFI though.
Jonny2Bad
07-01-2008, 05:52 PM
Thats what i thought
system7
07-01-2008, 09:00 PM
I know little about these high end motherboards, but the January PC Gamer build with a Q6600 and Patriot DDR2-1066 memory is the Asus P5N-E SLI 650I chipset:
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?ASU-P5NESL
They are planning on overclocking it. Maybe adding a second 8800GT card too. Everyone says it's good value anyway. :)
Jonny2Bad
07-01-2008, 09:02 PM
Yeah good board sys7 my son has it in his pc and it has the e6600 clocked to 3ghz no probs at all.
Oh i thought most x38 boards were crossfire and most have ample sata ports also, or is it just that you want ed a dfi board?
All new Intel boards support crossfire. Gigabyte boards have 10sata ports lol.
I think he wants a DFI though.
10 SATA Pots, flipen hek, I ant getting that board.. Just thinking of the way they do the BIOS of that makes me cringe..... Id rather get two SATA RAID cards then use 10 onboard SATA ports...
Jonny2Bad
08-01-2008, 01:29 PM
Must admit i do like the way the dfi boards look never had a play with 1 though might try 1 out on my next build to see how they fair though. getting them seems to be a problem here though all the suggested suppliers never seem to have any decent ones in when i look
You will need to buy them via corporate sales...
Jonny2Bad
08-01-2008, 02:50 PM
Really so they are really hard to get hold off then for the normal enthusiast
yep, i need to order mine before I leave my current work place... Overwise im snookered...
djgandy
09-01-2008, 01:39 AM
Really so they are really hard to get hold off then for the normal enthusiast
Not really, just they cost a bomb and you are paying for a label. At the end of the day DFI are the equivilent of a franchise. Intel make the chipset, and someone else probably makes the board.
I mean 10 onboard SATA is awful, but if DFI did that board you'd be singing songs of praise for them saying how good it was. DFI and corporate sales? Companies buy business boards, that is definately not a business board. DFI boards can be bought but people have realised they are not worth it.
DFI boards are nice, but there time is up now that Intel is winning the game. There were so many awful boards when AMD had the processor to beat. It wasn't the boardmakers fault, it was nvidias. Nvidia was the only solution for A64. Nvidia chipsets are awful and overpriced so that little extra for a nice DFI board was okay. Nowadays though it's quite a lot extra. But hey, if you want to pay a massive amount thats your choice. You'll end up with the same basic part as the rest of us.
Id disagree with some of that.... 1, if DFI did make a board with 10 SATA ports id never get it, knowing what they would need to do in order to get 10 SATA ports etc.. well... unless they buy the latest BIOS code which is like 25k, or they do somthing new.
Also, DFI boards are very popular in the US as they are easy to get hold of. Iv never heard of a DFI motherboards in my life intill I was looking on some overclocking websites... and most of the people had DFI Lanparty motherboards... for an extra £40 id get a DFI Lanparty motherboard over an Asus Striker..
djgandy
09-01-2008, 11:21 AM
Many of the OC world records in the past (~5.5ghz) were set on an MSI board :\ Unless you are extreme hardcore with some LN2 and the money to buy 20 boards to find out which one oc's the most there is not going to be much difference.
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