Q6600 installation problem

[Imperrettive]

Hi All,

I have bought a Q6600 and I am putting it into a MSI P35 NEO2-FR motherboard. I have put the cpu into position the only way I believe it can go, put the heatsink on top (Artic Freezer 7), I have put all other components in (RAM, HD, GFX).

The board gives the error code that says the CPU is either incorrently mounted or faulty.

Any Ideas? I want to cry.

cheers

[matz]

when you placed the CPU in the mobo did you do the triangle (yellow colour ish lining them up) im no good with this stuff.. wait for more people :)

Ive been planning on buying your motherboard or a P35C DS3R from novatech its just choosing which one.

are you going to overclock it when you have fixed the problem?

[Imperrettive]

it has two notches on the cpu, which i believe match 2 indents on the mobo, so this is the only way it can go in.

Yes i plan to overclock.

[Lustral]

What is the exact error code that it is producing ?

It might be that you need a BIOS update because your current BIOS isnt new enough to detect the Q6600 CPU

Lusty

[matz]

to what clockspeed?

im planning on 3ghz when i get mine :)

this is a job for system7 and some other geniouses :) im still learning from this forum

[Imperrettive]

4 leds are lit red which mean "processor is damaged or not installed properly" The mobo says it supports quad core cpus.

[matz]

thats the thing i liked about the MSI board

unlucky if you have damaged pins but im sure the new LGA dont have pins they are like pads. have you tried using another 775 socket cpu?

im going be back at 2pm (school DIDA)

[system7]

this is a job for system7 and some other geniouses :) im still learning from this forum
We are still learning, matz. There's always something new and complicated... :lol:

Imperrettive, this is a tricky build you are doing here, so don't panic. And error messages are not always to be trusted. You unplug power and reseat the processor and check the heatsink/paste is on correctly. Socket 775 heatsinks are fiddly.

Are you using 4 pin or 8 pin CPU power connector? What is the PSU? Have you fitted supplementary power to the PCI Express slot, and the graphics card itself if it needs it?

Regardless, try booting minimal for now. Just one stick of memory, keyboard, graphics and no drives. Try taking out the CMOS battery for 2 minutes or pressing the CMOS clear button with power unplugged.

A bios display is the first step. You may have a sticker on the bios chip that tells you its revision number, though it would have to be an old board to not support the Q6600.

I see you have some optional jumpers to set FSB. I would think you can leave them off to start, but FSB 266 is the correct setting for your Q6600.

[matz]

guys,

if i was planning to buy the same board as him, would i need a BIOS update or anything for the Q6600 to be usuable :) thanks

[Jonny2Bad]

Tough 1 this, dont like the sound of it at all. Thinking motherboard fault rather than cpu, have u another old socket 775 chip to try out in its place? or even an older 775 board to try the cpu out would be my 1st port of call.

[Imperrettive]

hi all,

got it working now. I didn't plug in the power cable into the CPU power as i was unaware that CPU required their own power supply!!

As you can tell i haven't done this for a while.

Matz - works fine, no Bios updates required

sorry for being a dumb ***!

Now just got to get vista on it.

cheers

[fynn]

lol, done that myself a few times, so dont worry about it :lol:

[matz]

*slaps his motherboard*

you scared the **** out of me mate ;) im still going ahead with the mobo

what temps you got?? also tell us what cooler your using with it ;) im planning on either that board or a P35C DS3R, my hearts on MSI so far. tell us if easy to overclock to 3ghz?

please dont stop using this forum coz its fixed:) we have a good community

[Imperrettive]

i'm using an artic cooling freezer 7 pro.

[Imperrettive]

question for you all.

If you had put the CPU in once with the Heatsink on top, then removed the heatsink, would you reapply thermal grease when reattaching the heatsink?

[Jonny2Bad]

I dont think you would have too, if you find your temps high then yes reapply the grease but i would see how it goes.

[system7]

YaY! Good news. Never seen a motherboard with as many supplementary power connectors and jumpers as that one! Nightmare. :roll:

I just heap the paste into the middle of the CPU with a clean piece of card and reuse it, when I am running low on it... :D

Imperrettive, as matz says, let us know how the overclock goes. Inquiring minds want to know. We all read that Tomshardware article with interest.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/Intel-Pentium-Dual-Core-E2140-overclocking,review-29816.html
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[matz]

yes!! we do want to know :) if you dont overclock good at 3ghz im gonna choose a diff board

but acourse he isnt using the same heatsink as us

[Bert]

Just as a slight tangent, what's the word on the amount of paste to use?

I've read less is better, but is this the case?

[matz]

about the size of a PEA [ just abit bigger] check google for some relative for your heatsink] would do, but wait for more recomendations

im new to the buisness :)

[loggy2007]

probably more of a petit pois (a small pea)
and then spread thinnly over...
i believe some have like some brush that you just brush over the cpu and the heatsink!

[matz]

hes got a freezer pro :)

[matz]

please reply back impperative :) the nerds will like to know its powers :)

thanks

[Imperrettive]

sorry people,

I haven't had time this weekend. Been getting my new desk sorted out, so I can geek in comfort.

matz: I read this article on Tom's Hardware about overclocking the Q6600, and they use the same motherboard i have. So going 3.0Ghz should be easy.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/Intel-E6750-Q6600-MSI-Gigabyte,review-29731.html

I thought it was best to let the processor bed in first before overclocking anyway?

cheers

[matz]

yeah give it a few days to a week, if you using the artic silver 5 stuff :) then we would like to see the overclock and temps

please also post the case you are using :)
does the motherboard from MSI P35 have temperature readings? if so what proggrame?

[Jonny2Bad]

Yeah 3ghz is easy enough on most boards tbh its a straight 1333 fsb 1.3v simple. :wink:

[matz]

cheers for that ;) when im going to overclock my system i might want a trusty guy with me or on the phone

how long does it take you guys to fully set up a pc from scratch?

im gonna be either geting the main parts 2moz or friday

[wuyanxu]

how long does it take you guys to fully set up a pc from scratch?

i went for 100% making sure everything worked, so it took me half day to install OS and do minor overclock with the machine layed out on a spare bed. then the first half of 2nd day to install into p182 case, with all cables sorted out, and then half day to finish install all software along with getting a 3Ghz initial overclock.


for 3Ghz overclock, it's so simple, just change the FSB from 266 to 333, using default voltage, if not stable (that's what happened to me) up Vcore to 1.35. (depends on VID of the CPU, if VID is 1.25, 1.3Vcore is enough)

[Jonny2Bad]

Yeah my bios setting is 1.3v but with the droop it shows as 1.26v which has been fine from day 1 not 1 bsd ever. Tut shouldnt have said that :x

[matz]

well im having my first mates LAN at my house this weekend

wana try and get the rigup by then

might buy the main components 2moz from reading store

[Imperrettive]

Hi All,

What is the optimum temps for the Q6600 overclocked to 3Ghz?

I am currently running Prime 95 and my core temps are:

core 1: 47
core 2: 40
core 3: 39
core 4: 44

are these OK?

Also, i read that you need to run 2 Prime95 app simultaneously to test all cores at the same time?

cheers

[PeteA]

Those temperatures are fine. The optimum would be 0 Degrees as there will be no heat resistance.

The core temp's will rise and fall with the use of the processor as well so don't worry as long as they don't go over 70 degrees its fine

[Jonny2Bad]

Those temps arent too bad, what cooling are you using? And i think the new prime 95 is quad ready now so download the newest version.

[Imperrettive]

freezer 7 pro - the one you told me to buy :D

[Jonny2Bad]

Nice thats working a treat then, so what is your overclock stats then? What voltages extra?

[Imperrettive]

i read on tom's hardware when they compared a q6600 to an e6600, so i have tried to set it up the same.

FSB: 333Mhz (1333QDR)
Core voltage: 1,3125
Memery Freq: 833 (417Mhz)



although i have no idea how to change the 'Memory Latency'? to what tom's hardware had it at (CL 4.0-4-4-12)? Mine are at 5.0-5-5-15

or the memory mulitplier for that matter set to 2.50?

[Jonny2Bad]

Ok not too bad I reckon those volts could come down a notch mine runs at 1.25v actual but to allow for my motherboards terrible droop it's set as 1.3v in the bios but reads as 1.25v by every program apart from cpuz which reads 1.168v at the mo which realy cant be right surely! my ram is running at 5 5 5 15 at 1066mhz so i really would worry too much about that just yet.

[Imperrettive]

cheers - i will reduce the voltage and run some tests.

Do you think i can push my RAM up to 1066, it is the: Corsair TWIN2X2048-6400C5DHX 2GB DDR2 (2x1GB) 800Mhz Non-ECC

[Jonny2Bad]

I doubt that very much, but it really has no great performance gain tbh so dont worry, what motherboard have u got? might get tighter timings on them though the 4 4 4 12.

[system7]

Here's the SPD table for the moderate Corsair XMS2 PC2-6400C5, which is rated at 1.9V:

Memory SPD
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DIMM #1

General
Memory type DDR2
Module format Regular UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID) Corsair (7F7F9E0000000000)
Size 2048 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC2-6400 (400 MHz)
Part number CM2X2048-6400C5

Attributes
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts
EPP no
XMP no

Timings table
Frequency (MHz) 270 400
CAS# 4.0 5.0
RAS# to CAS# delay 4 5
RAS# Precharge 4 5
TRAS 13 18
TRC 15 22

I would set FSB:Memory ratio to 1:1 for starters for 333MHz and build it up from there. That equates to DDR2-667 speed. The utility CPU-Z's memory tab will give some ideas. For sure you're not going to do much better than 5-5-5-18 around DDR2-830 if you do up the ratio to 1:1.25, or 1:2.50 if it's labelled that way. It is, of course, vital to override SPD settings and go for manual 5-5-5-18.

[Imperrettive]

I reduced the voltage last night and ran COD4, but this kept crashing out, sometimes to windows saying some exe has stopped working, sometimes blue screening.

kept uping the voltage after each crash as i assume it was this that was causing the crash as it never seemed to do it when set to default settings?

any ideas?

In regards to "It is, of course, vital to override SPD settings and go for manual 5-5-5-18" there are a lot more numbers than the 4 stated.

http://testsite.design.staging.fsnm.co.uk/test/RAM-settings.gif

cheers Ian

[system7]

Ian, I think you're getting bogged down here because you're reading a review of a Q6600 on a Gigabyte board with different memory and bios. It's not a great idea to just bump up random voltages to try and stabilise things. Let's assume you've got the 8 pin CPU power connector for stability with this FSB 266 Quad.

This is the page for overclocking an E2140 at FSB 333 on your MSI Neo with the superior Geil DDR2-800:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/Intel-Pentium-Dual-Core-E2140-overclocking,review-29816-9.html
I would write those bios settings down or print them out for reference. But don't follow them slavishly, because the setup is different.

If I've guessed your memory correctly, it will be stable at DDR2-800 at 1.9V, 5-5-5-18-22 with the rest of the settings left at default 12. If the bios only allows 5-5-5-15-22, then you might be limited to DDR2-667 speed on manual timings.

Your memory devider can then be 1:1 for DDR2-667 speed, or 1:1.2 for DDR2-800 speed in MSI speak, and all should then be stable on the memory front. CPU-Z memory tab will tell you what is going on, because each motherboard bios works differently when you overclock. Naturally you can tighten those timings later as appropriate for different speeds, but you are looking for stability rather than performance at this stage.

The guys have covered processor voltage thoroughly enough, and that's the only other thing that looks like it needs attention if the bus speeds are set up right, though disabling EIST and halt state power saving might help too. Because there are so many bios settings, you can always set to defaults and build up again from scratch. It is no bad thing to thoroughly familiarise yourself with changing memory timings/speeds and voltage at stock processor speed. Hope that gives a few pointers anyway.

[wuyanxu]

as system said, you should run your RAM at 5-5-5-18 as advertised for best effect. don't forget to set your RAM voltage to 1.9v.

run Prime95 Blend test, for at least 8 hours, if no errors, that means your system is stable. only then can you be sure to play games without crashing to desktop.

superb temperature, what case have you got?

[Imperrettive]

I set it up last night to what you suggested:

CPU: 333Mhz (3Ghz) 1.3Volts
RAM: 800Mhz, 5-5-5-18-22 (the rest to 12), ratio 1:1.2, 1.9Volts

I downloaded and ran a newer Quad version of Prime95 (25.4 I think) to test all cores as the version I used before didn't.

CPU usage shot up to 100%, i thought it was going to explode. I only ran it for about an hour but no errors.

Temps of all core where 58-60. Are these OK?

Played COD4 no crashes :D

wuyanxu - I have a Thermaltake Soprano

Cheers All

[wuyanxu]

don't worry about it going to explode, i've ran 24hours before, with temps as high as 75c. :mrgreen:

if you are using CoreTemp to monitor the cores, where all 4 cores stay below 72c, you are perfectly fine, nothing will burn or explode.

[Imperrettive]

Hi Again,

I have bought and installed another 2Gb of RAM, so i now have 4x1Gb sticks. With 2Gb the setting you gave me worked fine, after installing the new 2Gb my system wouldn't boot giving me a memory error. I set it back to default setting and it worked fine. I then tried to put your suggested setting back on and it wouldn't boot as before. So I have upped the CPU to 333 FSB and changed the RAM divider to 1.2 which gives me a DDR2-800 speed, but i have left the other settings to auto. With these settings the system booted, but i haven't really tested it.

Do you think this is OK?

cheers Ian