Should I or shouldnt I

[scarab53]

Can anyone help?

Please check out my specs below and let me know what problems I am coming up with!
I have read many forums suggesting that the e6300 can OC to over 3ghz. The thing is that I would like to break the 3ghz barrier but am having probs doing so. Currently I am at 2.625ghz and running very stable, temps are fine ect so why is it that when I go to the next OC from 1500mhz fsb to 1600 fsb in order to truly match the 1:1 ratio on the ram at 800mhz instead of the current 750mhz the whole thing stops and black screen appears. Tell me if I am wrong but the hardware I am running I feel is more than capable of handling more. 2.8 would be the target for this particular OC as the e6300 multiplyer is locked at 7 so a frequency of 400 is necessary. I would be happy with this speed :) BTW I am however happy with my timings at 4.4.4:12 so at the current settings something is right and bios shows a 1:1 ratio. Should I get a faster processor ie quad core 1333 ready one or see how far she will go with some advice from the wealth of gaming gurus out there.
What info do you need guys?
BTW what do you think to the achieved speed of the 9600gt eh? I like it the duorb seems to do wonders with the temps. Cod 4 runs like a dream atm will going sli make that much difference?

Case- Cooler master CM690 asaka fan control 3x 120mm 81cfm fans. 2x 120mm fans on side 1x120mm on bottom
Mobo- Asus P5N32 e sli plus 680i chipset
CPU- E6300 1.8ghz OC @ 2.625ghz idle @ 26c load @ 31c cooled with swiftech 120 liquid cooler
Ram- OCZ platinum pc6400 @750mhz 1gb x2 cooled by a home made mod 2x 50mm fans
GPU- Sparkle 9600gt OC core 750mhz mem 2100ddr shader 1825 cooled with thermaltake Duorb 25c idle 34c load
PSU- Thermaltake toughpower 750w sli ready
HDD- Seagate 250gb @7200rpm
Drives- Asus lightscribe multi layer dvd r+rw and sony dvd rom

[wuyanxu]

first, i have that RAM, it's rated at 4-4-4-15, not -12.
second, i didn't see you mention voltage changes, the RAM requires 2.0 voltage to get it 800Mhz stable.

[scarab53]

first, i have that RAM, it's rated at 4-4-4-15, not -12.
second, i didn't see you mention voltage changes, the RAM requires 2.0 voltage to get it 800Mhz stable.

The ram is at 2.1v. I did not change anything I think my mobo must have chosen that voltage. it has quite a few settings! The ram speed is showing 4 4 4 12 in cpu z! If I knew how to get the picture of the desktop into the forum I would. I can only assume that in playing with some settings on my mobo I have fallen on some good timings, they will tighten down a little and I have seen other rigs with similar results!
If you are referring to the cpu voltage then I have not touched that eigther, should I be increasing this to accomodate the higher potential cpu speed. My understanding was that the cpu would just use what it needs so for instance at stock speed 1.8ghz it was at 1.25v the higher fsb at 2.66 would put the votage up as a matter of fact . Am I wrong on this? Could my cpu be starved of power? would this be the reason why I am experiencing black screen?

[scarab53]

Sorry to sound like I am bickering but looking at the specs on this post from you ,you are using 4gigs of the same ram as me at 4 4 4 12,

I wont say any more:)

Check it out yourself if you like! Look at the article and you will see . I didnt copy the damning evidence for your sakes! LOL





Re: Cheap PSU w/ Overclocking + 9600GT
by wuyanxu on Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:46 pm

this Corsair Vx450w will power it no problem a bit over budget, but there's no cheap PSU, only un-reliable PSU that will take the whole system with it.

NEVER go cheap on PSU, but you can always count on Corsair Core2Quad q6600 @ 3.2Ghz On air w

[scarab53]

Moving on swiftly I was wondering if you have any idea of what sort of speed my rig should get to without pushing it? I am sure it has plenty more to offer. What sort of voltage should it need for lets say the 2.8ghz I would like to try to get to next then?

[matz]

this is when intel & aquapcs at i33 comes in handy as a guide :D

[JDowdall]

Unlucky lad, I'v recently got an Asus P5KC p35 chipset with the intent of overclocking my processor (6300 like yours) mine is happily at 2.8ghz, infact i left everything at stock volts and let the mobo set up the memory, i left mine at 5-5-5-5-15 or wateva, simply drop your CAS values and you should be ok, up to 2.8ghz the ram limits you not the processor

[wuyanxu]

this is my RAM (http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/ocz_ddr2_pc2_6400_platinum_revision_2)
i can run at 800Mhz 4-4-4-12 with 2.0v.

you might need to up the MCH voltage and CPU voltage. up the CPU voltage anyway, you've got water cooling :roll:
blue screen is usually a sign of MCH or RAM not having enough power.

[JDowdall]

lol im @ 2.8ghz with no voltage increases, the core 2's are good like that try loosening up ur ram latencies or upping the voltage

[Markymicro]

I don't think you will get it to 3.0GHz, even if you did I don't think the system would be stable (but the system might boot), you have to do some benching to see. I got my E6600 to 3651.1MHz @ 406.2MHz FSB (on water) the system booted up but was not stable, the E6600 standard is 2.4GHz and a clock of 1.2GHz = 3.6GHz. The E6300 standard 1.8GHz and a clock of 1.2GHz = 3.0Ghz, in my opinion that will be unstable but by all means give it a go and keep us posted.

P.S I had the MCH voltage set to 3.0volts :shock: (I think) and I was scared to put it any higher than that, the board was an Abit AW9D MAX

Have fun..... :D

[JDowdall]

well i got to 2.8ghz @ stock volts, and i'v seen lots of people get lower core 2 duo's up to 3ghz no problem, its just a matter of how far ur happy 2 go with voltage etc

[Jonny2Bad]

I don't think you will get it to 3.0GHz, even if you did I don't think the system would be stable (but the system might boot), you have to do some benching to see. I got my E6600 to 3651.1MHz @ 406.2MHz FSB (on water) the system booted up but was not stable, the E6600 standard is 2.4GHz and a clock of 1.2GHz = 3.6GHz. The E6300 standard 1.8GHz and a clock of 1.2GHz = 3.0Ghz, in my opinion that will be unstable but by all means give it a go and keep us posted.

P.S I had the MCH voltage set to 3.0volts :shock: (I think) and I was scared to put it any higher than that, the board was an Abit AW9D MAX

Have fun..... :D
I had my e6600 at 3.7ghz stable on air, I think Lustral had his at about 3.9ghz on air all stable these cpu's will clock but you have to be brave with the vcore volts anything up to 1.55v on the vcore should be safe.

[Markymicro]

Are you running it at 3.7GHz now? What bench marking tools did you use? How long did you run tests for? I have the E6600 at the minute and my new board is the striker II what I will do tonight is try and clock it to 3.7GHz and do some benching and see what happends. With the board I have I should have no problems in clocking the CPU to 3.7GHz (if possible) without any explosions.

Also, I am some what surprised that you had no heat problems running on stand alone air, anything running at 3.6GHz and above is advised to be on water but that might be a precaution? (I will keep a close eye on temps aswel).

I will post my findings in a couple of days.

P.S You say that anything up to 1.55v on the vcore should be safe. It is one or the other - safe or not safe. There's no margin for error.....

[djgandy]

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8826/ocdn0.jpg

Running in the 60's though with Intel stock hsf. But that is under load. What benchmarks? Well runs folding @ home 24/7. If I had a better HSF I would over clock it more

[Jonny2Bad]

Well mine ran at 1.6v with a .4 droop and was stable at 3.7 on thermaltake v1 air cooler, and it ran solid for 2 weeks hard gaming etc without 1 bsd so that was good enuf for me :wink: . And no i run a q6600 at 3ghz on the same cooler now. And yes as long as temps are fine it should be ok but every chips different so there is always the possibility that it might not like it but thats the risks of such high clocks, there are no guaratees.

[Markymicro]

Well done djgandy :D , you even got the quad pumped rate high too.....

Jonny2Bad, have you got any CPU-Z results?

I haven't even started to clock mine I got busy with something else last night.

[scarab53]

Well I have come to the conclusion that I need to dip my hand in my pocket :( and look for a new cpu that will get me the kind of speed I want without it going into self desruct mode. Is it true that it is not worth going quad core yet as the games are not that far advanced yet.

I have resorted to the fact that I should be happy with a good stable running system at the 2.625 mhz speed. My memory is stable at 750 mhz and the timings are at 4 4 4 12 , all of this performance for £130 ( cpu and ram) as my mate works at pc 2000 in basingstoke. not a bad buy for the performance.

I ran passmark and am getting approx 840 as a score on there is this good?

What is it with us gamers we are constanlty tweaking to get the best results? When will it all end or will we be spending infinate amounts of money on components for the rest of our natural lives!! :?

What would be the best route for me next ? Change my ram to handle the higher overclock or my cpu? would the ram I have now hanle the higher speed of a more powerful cpu anyway?

[Markymicro]

Well I don't think it is gamers in general, everyone is always after the number one spot in who can clock their system the best/push their system to limits. The current system I have is the 4th one I have built in the last 5 years and I have spent endless amounts of money, thats the way it is and there is always something better round the corner.

I remember when the new P4 3.0GHz come out and I payed £250 for it and I think they are about £40 now (if that?)

[Jonny2Bad]

Well done djgandy :D , you even got the quad pumped rate high too.....

Jonny2Bad, have you got any CPU-Z results?

I haven't even started to clock mine I got busy with something else last night.
No sorry it was at least a year ago that i had my e6600 my son now has that in his machine. Google results of e6600 for how high ppl have got them if you like.
Google your striker 2 results of oc quads also they seem to suffer with the same problems as the original and the extra volts needed for oc quads seem to overheat the northbridge far too much, we had such trouble with ours even now it wont go stable over 3ghz.

[Markymicro]

I know what you mean, my E6600 is clocked to 3.0GHz at the moment and the northbridge is really hot already (@ 3.0GHz) I dread to think how hot it will get when my new CPU comes, however, I have been thinking of buying some water blocks for the N/S bridge but they are not cheap about £35 each (rip off!!), so I thought of getting a desk fan and popping the side off the case and see how that goes.

[Jonny2Bad]

No dont buy anything till you've got your cpu as i think it wont overclock the quad very much at all buddy! On other forums they are slating it saying it isnt stable at all and in some cases wont even post, so dont spend a penny till youve tried it yourself.

[Markymicro]

What clocks are people reporting?

[Jonny2Bad]

Only had a little scout buddy didnt go into any great depth of it, but I know 2 ppl that got those boards 1 person didnt even accept delivery of it at the door lol and the other it was in and out in the same night, will be interested to see if any bios updates have improved it. But its still a 680i chipset at heart so I doubt there is much change. On mine if you dont have the 1303 bios you cant budge a q6600 from 2.4ghz and asus removed said bios from download, so had too google it and hope for the best.
Have a google on it buddy but the only way really too find out is when your quad comes.

[Markymicro]

Found this below, looks like it will clock to about 3.8 - 4.0GHz (depends on mobo), but what I have read so far is that it Seems the FSBwall it pretty low about 478MHz

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=297477

[Jonny2Bad]

Oh yeah the cpu will clock no probs but just not on a striker :x

[Markymicro]

I have found that the striker II will clock it to about 3.3Ghz, however, I would not clock it that high anyway (about 3.0GHz and thats fine for me). If I do have problems I would be upgrading in abouts 6 months anyway as I tend not to keep hardware all that lone.

I will wait till the CPU comes (if ever!) and see what happends :D

[Jonny2Bad]

Yeah well that would ok if you get it that high that would be a very decent clock. Well look forward to hearing how you get on with it anyway.

[scarab53]

Ok I have not been on here for a while and I the mean time I have spent a little money on some better ram since last online ie OCZ reaper enhanced bandwidth edition pc6400 800mhz and have tried running them with a setup that was suggested to me voltage wise!

V core @ 1.45
NB @ 1.4
SB @1.4
MCH @ 1.55 max as suggested
Ram @ 2.25 with relaxed timings back to 5 5 5 15 (ran ok at 2.625 ghz with 1500 fsb and 750mhz ram speed wich was 1:1 ration in bios)

To all intents and purposes I think I am at max OC at 2.625ghz on this chip as I have tried everything in my recently read OC forum x 4 or five library of info and nothing is working.

I have tried the unlinked setup in the bios to see if the ram could work @ 800mhz with the fsb at 1500 but it set the ratio to 15:16 wich was a tad on the unstable side as it rebooted itself (blue screen)and worked after that . I did not want to leave it at this setting as I am sure it is not good for the pc to run at this ratio. Am I right in assuming this means there is no issue with the ram working at 800mhz or higher but the cpu may need replacing with one like a q6600 for me to be happy with a blazing fast pc. Am I giong to notice the speed difference? Should I be happy that I have not done any bad damage to this chip as it is already as fast as some other upgrade chips?

Just so you know , the previous board this chip was in was a fairly standard Asus P5B . Could this be the route of my problems as it does not have the overclock protection that my current one has and I tried some overclocking on that one?

I have heard of some chips that OC well and others that dont but they may go to a reasonable speed which is where I am at. All I want to do is get to 2.8ghz with a 1600 fsb and 800 mhz mem at 1:1 ratio. All the components except my cpu is new as of two months ago so what could be holding my system back or am I expecting too much from the system?

The reaper Ram is however nicely working at my current config with timings of 4 3 3 12 so they do have some flexibility as the speed is only @ 750 mhz!!


Case- Cooler master CM690 asaka fan control 3x 120mm 81cfm fans. 2x 120mm fans on side 1x120mm on bottom
Mobo- Asus P5N32 e sli plus 680i hybrid chipset
CPU- E6300 1.8ghz OC @ 2.625ghz idle @ 28c load @ 35c cooled with swiftech 120 liquid cooler
Ram- OCZ Reaper pc6400 @750mhz 1gb x2 copper pipe cooling (enhanced bandwidth edition)
GPU- Sparkle 9600gt OC core 750mhz/ mem 1050ddr2/ shader 1825 thermaltake Duorb 25c idle 34c load
PSU- Thermaltake toughpower 750w sli ready
HDD- Seagate 250gb @7200rpm
Drives- Asus lightscribe multi layer dvd r+rw and sony dvd rom

[scarab53]

Oh by the way Has anyone else had any problems flashing thier bios cos I is! I have tried it thru the asus update and it say no updated bios images currently available I am running bios version 0805 currently. Are there any later ones available?
how does one open the file downloaded from the asus website. Could it be that my recent problems are due to the bios being the wrong version?

[Jonny2Bad]

Best not to use the updater via the tinternet, download the bios file manually then use the updater to update from the file. a lot of ppl favour updating thru the bios with a floppy also.