AMD or Pentium

[bossman187uk]

Hi i know you have all probably heard this question before but im really stuck. basically im upgrading my system so decided to get new motherboard and cpu. iv had my eye on either a P4 3.2 prescot or the P4 dual core 3.2. And was thinking about spending around £130 on the motherboard. But now i started hearing that i should go for a AMD even though for the same price i get a lower speed. i understand that speed of teh spu isnt everything but i meen im just lost as to which to get. any help appreciated.

[Taxation]

some questions first 8)
do you overclock :)
what is the price range for the CPU :twisted:

i would recommend a intel pentium D 805 dual core cpu, if overclocked to 4.1ghz, (can be done with slight better cooling) it can beat a AMD fx 60, which is £650, and the 805 is only £150.
http://www.tomshardware.com
check it out because they have a review of the 805.

i would say go AMD but at the moment the 805 is the best value processor out there(if you overclock)

if you dont overclock then get a AMD 64 4000, it is the nuts :D

[Lustral]

Make the 805 about £90 more like ;) not £150 ;)

I used to run an 805 got it to oc to 3.6Ghz on air, not bad for a cpu ;)

I would say a 930 is a nice cpu that can be had for about £130 ish

[Taxation]

yeah i got them mixed up :lol: , i found the 805 for £88.07
that price is from overclockers
(btw they have reductions now, so something new must be coming out, im just wondering what)

[Nox]

You have exagerated a tad there Tax :p

I would take every information read on any review site with a pinch of salt, they are there to make things look great, you have also not mentioned a few things that should be added:p

That 805 CPU will not run at 4.1, it will run at 3.6, with tweaking. It will run at 4.1 IF you up the voltage quite considerably, and spend a lot of money on water cooling. You can also knock 100Mhz off all those scores as yes, I can make a CPU get through a benchmark at *** speeed, but for every day operations, you don't want to be rebooting due to a crash every hour.

And as for 'beating' an FX-60 is... well, barely - most of those benchmarks put it well within the category of 'so **** close you ain't gonna notice' and really, if I were to believe the accuracy of a lot of those numbers, I would want to know why an 4800+ (dual 2.4) is outperforming an FX-60 too, (its the same chip, at 200Mhzx2 faster, with unlocked multi's)

And to top it all off, that FX-60 is stock... A £100 chip can reach the speed of a £600+ one, but the more expensive chip has not yet been touched re overclocking.

That said, at the moment the 805 IS certainly, without any doubt what so ever, the absolute KING of value.

Nox

[Taxation]

so basically get the 805 then

[bossman187uk]

ok cool so the 805 is looking good. my mums boyfriend does know how to over clock etc so that is the way i think im gonna go but i dont want to spend any more on cooling etc so watercooling is not really an option. do u think its neceserry for me to spend £150 on a mobo? i just went the cheap route b4 and now cant upgrade so didnt want to face same problem for a long time. i hear that pci express is the way foreward with graphics cards?

[bossman187uk]

is the pentium 940 gonna be better than the 805? i dont mind the bit extra price. also is it really worth be going dual core? i dont use really heavy apps mainly gaming, net browsing, buring cd, downloading and some IT programms such as dream weaver or director.

If i get the 805 how much can it be over clocked to without having to get new power supplies or aditional cooling? and if i get the 940 would i be able to over clock it to a higher speed than the 805 with less heat? cheers guys this is really helping me out

[Nox]

Choice of CPU really comes down to budget, and what you plan to do with it. So, whats, your budget, what do you need, and what will you mainly be doing with it?

Nox

[Taxation]

plus you have to think about other things that may come into play later on, because intel are urging developers to make programs multithreaded which will make dual core more efficient. and future upgrades, will you upgrade the cpu in the future??

give us how much you want to spend

[bossman187uk]

i might upgrade in the future but im a student so dont really want to for a while. basically after doign all my research i think im going for:
P4 Dual core 940 i found for £229
Asus P5WD2 (mb-139-as) i found for £117
and as my old 6200 AGP graphics card wont fit in new mb
Geforce 7600GT i found for £140

ill use my old pc case, dvd writer and 2 x 512 RAM

Does this sound like a good set up?


And what speed should i sensibly get the cpu over clocked to? if at all?

Also my main uncertantity is the Motherboard. Is this good one to go for? there seems to be loadsa mb's ranging to £170 but seem to have same specs.

[Lustral]

P4 Dual core 940 i found for £229


I would get the 930 and overclock it some, that is what i have done :)

930 is only £130-£140

the 930 can be overclocked to 3.6Ghz without VCore or any fancy mods on that Asus p5wd2 **** , get the premeium edition if u can coz that has the 975x chipset on it.

if u go for that graphics card you cant sli them on that mobo unless u find some funky drivers.

go for a 1800gto or something like that ;)

[Taxation]

Thats an alright setup

go for the 930 to save yourself some money, then get yourself a 7900gt :D

[bossman187uk]

ok cool so ill go for the 930 i found for £140
is it the motherboard that stops me from being able so sli or is it the graphics card?

[Taxation]

get this motherboard
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/spec ... p5wd2e&P=0 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?asu-p5wd2e&P=0)

and it is the board stopping you from going sli, but at the moment SLI isnt as good as what people are saying it is.
you wont get alot of gain from SLI if you get a 7900gt, unless you have a 24" monitor running at monster high resolutions

[bossman187uk]

ok well im ready to order now i think so im going for:
pentium 930 3.0 ghz dual core
Asus P5wd2-e premium
Geforce 7600GT
maxtor 6v250fo 250gb hdd

is this a pretty good setup?

one last concern i have is i dont know weather to get the Asus P5WD2-E Premium or Asus P5N32-SLI Deluxe.

im not sure if ill want to SLI in the future. im finding it really hard to choose. from what iv read the Asus P5WD2-E Premium is better for over clocking etc but the Asus P5N32-SLI Deluxe is SLI enabled.

Wahts the difference between the intel chip set and the nvidia? im thinking about going with the Asus P5WD2-E Premium any comments sudgesting otherwise?

will this mobo last me a good while? cheers

[Taxation]

If your gonna get a 7600gt then go for the sli board, because the 7600gt shows good sli scores

[bossman187uk]

yea but are the gains of having 2 7600gt running in SLI really worth the money? wouldnt a single 7900 gt be better? and cheaper? im just not sure if SLI is gonna be as big as people say in the future.

[Taxation]

a single 7900gt is better than 2 7600gt's, but if i were you, i would get a 7600gt and wait until vista and direct X 10 cards to come out, and you would already have some money put towards it.

SLI is mainly for computers that run at high resolutions and futuremarking. Go sli if you feel that you want to show off 8)

oh and btw, nvidia are going to try and get into the physics buisness. so you can have a 7900gt as a gpu and a 7600 as a physics processing unit, and that would be cheaper than a ageia ppu :D

[bossman187uk]

ok cool thanks for the help. i play games on my pc etc but im not like fully obsesed with it so i think il go with the P5WD2 -E PREMIUM and just use one 7600gt for now. also getting a pentium d 940. this is the finally chosen set up and ill be ordering today. ill let u guys know how it goes . thanks for all ur help, its good knowing when u spend so much on a set up there are people that can help u out.

[Taxation]

no probs matey
hope it goes well for ya

[GMW]

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sorry but amd are sooo much better just wait for the conroe killers to come ot :twisted:

[Nox]

holy thread revival batman!

Nox

[djgandy]

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sorry but amd are sooo much better just wait for the conroe killers to come ot :twisted:

You appear to have some wool over your eyes.
You also need to come back from the future and live at present time. AMD have no reply at all on the cards. 4x4 is a load of tosh and not available to anyone with realistic money and i bet an allendale would eat the performance alive anyway.

[GMW]

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sorry but amd are sooo much better just wait for the conroe killers to come ot :twisted:

You appear to have some wool over your eyes.
You also need to come back from the future and live at present time. AMD have no reply at all on the cards. 4x4 is a load of tosh and not available to anyone with realistic money and i bet an allendale would eat the performance alive anyway.

ha what about the new things planned like the fx 70 and so on AMD AT 3GHZ!!!!! OMG imagine the overclock ability!

[Nox]

AMD @ 3 Ghz? thats 9 instructions per cycle, compared to Intels (allready out @ about 3Ghz) 11 instructions per cycle, so when the AMD ones are out, you expect intel not to ever release any more CPU's?

Sorry, but today, Intel are faster. Otherwise you are waiting for ever, always for the next generation.

Nox

[GMW]

whoa fast reply...
but anyway, i dont think AMD are gonna go down without a fight, they have somthing up there sleave, otherwise why did they buy ati... somthing is gonna happen somthing big....
yea nothing like a bit of suspence

[Nox]

And traditionally, the top end CPU's are by percentage, the worst overclockers, but will generally go to a slightly higher clock, but only slightly.

Nox

[GMW]

not always, because when my skt am2 4200 x2 came out at first it was relitivly top of range, and i got that overclocked from 2.2ghz to 3.0ghz on stock air cooling, just uped the voltage to 1.45 and kept incresing the fsb the problem is top of the range intels tend to be locked, amds arnt

[GMW]

sorry for the double post...
but who ever started this thread should be shot, on most forums amd V intel threads are banned because they will never die... like this one, one day in the future when everyone is using amd fx 10000000 we will look back on this and just laugh and say
"intel sucks" :D

[Nox]

not always, because when my skt am2 4200 x2 came out at first it was relitivly top of range, and i got that overclocked from 2.2ghz to 3.0ghz on stock air cooling, just uped the voltage to 1.45 and kept incresing the fsb the problem is top of the range intels tend to be locked, amds arnt

my point exactly, it wasn't top of the range. you took your 2.2 to 3.0 Ghz, if you had bought a 3800 or a 4600, it would of probably gone to about 3Ghz too, thus a lower % overclock in the case of the 4600 and a higher for the 3800. I am talking about % increase here. ie a 2.0 clocking to 3.0 is a +50% increase in clock speed, your % increase was around 36%

Also no idea why you seem to think the top end Intel CPU's are multiplier locked - where did that come from? The EE editions have never been locked, nor is the X6800. And some boards will let you unlock a regular conroe down too.

Nox