VA or TN panel

[marti123]

Hi i just got the NOV-LCD24A 24" TFT 6MS DGM L-2442WD and it says its supposed to be a VA panel but ive found some info that if you press menu and + for the service menu you get a code which is LG-LM240WU3-TLA1 which is a TN panel.

So just wondering why ive received a TN panel instead of the VA which I ordered?

[Danno]

who is it that advised you what panel was used in the monitor? i may be missing something but cant see it in the advertised spec online.

[marti123]

its from another forum

Also if you do the menu and + its bring up the code

[marti123]

Any more info really would like to know if ive been sold the wrong thing.

[system7]

This panel lottery is a pain. I understand the VA panel is more suited to Home Cinema than the TN because of its wider viewing angle.

There was great excitement at OCUK when a batch of VAs came in a while back at a low price.

Sadly here, I don't see much option but for you to RMA the monitor within 7 days under distance selling regs if it is really unsuitable. I hope you live near a branch.

I bought an expensive Samsung 931CW for precisely the same sort of reason, so as to be sure of getting the best picture.

[Danno]

Any more info really would like to know if ive been sold the wrong thing.

we dont advertise what panel is used in the monitor so its not been mis-sold. if its under 7 days old and was ordered online it would be covered under distance selling if you wanted to return it.

[marti123]

Yes actualy it did say it was VA panel in product overview which has now suddenly been changed.

[system7]

I think a little talk with Customer Services is in order here, marti123.

Should be the best way forward.

[marti123]

Dont get me wrong i am very happy with it does job fine for me excellent pic etc no dead pixels. Just raising the point that it did say VA panel (did as its now been changed lol) I wont be returning it as i like it alot its a dam good monitor especialy for the price better than some you would pay alot more for. It was just the fact it said VA that annoyed me abit but hey such is life and ive still got a dam sweet monitor.

[system7]

That's good. I don't doubt what you thought you were buying, or your comments about the information at the website. Novatech branding is frequently a lottery, and with graphics cards more of a lucky dip. If they were to give more brand detail, it seems they would upset their suppliers.

Plus the fact the website is frequently out of date or plain wrong. But I understand some of the honest difficulties Nova have with this, even if I think they ought to try harder.

[clv101]

who is it that advised you what panel was used in the monitor? i may be missing something but cant see it in the advertised spec online.

The specs say viewing angle of 180/180. This can't be a TN panel. Can you confirm the panel uses the VA?

[clv101]

I got mine today and it was a VA panel. Very nice it is too. It has one pixel stuck red but I can live with that. The stand is a bit weak though. it wobbles on my desk with the slightest knock!

[system7]

Nice one. My money was on it being a TN. :)

What is this sudden burst of interest in VA panels?

Is there something we are missing here? :wink:

[clv101]

What is this sudden burst of interest in VA panels?
The quality is in a different league to TN. I have my pretty decent 20" Samsung TN screen next to this and it's a joke. Colours aren't as good, it's no where near as bright, the variation with viewing angle is bad. This new screen is so much better and for this price a real bargain.

[system7]

Thanks. If you are so inclined, I wouldn't mind a brief explanation of these different technologies and which mainstream models use them, if you know.

Or is it mainly that cheap panels are simply not as good as the more expensive ones?

Presumably, TN is what most of us have with desktop monitors? My Samsung SM931CW falls away about 45 degrees to the side.

Still love the rich colours though. :P

[clv101]

See the "specs" section here: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/
Also here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_crystal_display

[system7]

OMG, you sent me off on a trek there clv101.... :shock:

OK, I looked at the couple of dozen 24" panels here:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/panel_parts.htm

Then waded through Nova's 24" models.
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/products/a942x1y0z1p0s0n0m0

Most of them are TNs, eh? My 19" is, if I googled it right.

The 5ms or faster response models are all TNs. Seems to include the big Samsung and LG models.

Your NOV-LCD24A VA Panel seems to be: AUO AMVA M240UW01 V4 1920x1200 6ms G2G 1000 : 1 400 178/178 16.7m 92%

Hmm...don't know if I Care really...life seems too short for this sort of thing. :?

[clv101]

Hmm...don't know if I Care really...life seems too short for this sort of thing.

If you see a VA panel and a TN panel side by side you'll care.

[system7]

I was hoping you, who presumably have delved into all this, could give me a summary...

It does seem the VA types are slower response, so that's one way to spot them.

Interesting, anyway, I'll take all this on board. Thanks. :)

[clv101]

I was hoping you, who presumably have delved into all this, could give me a summary...
A summary? You'd be much off reading the links I provided than my paraphrasing, I can't add anything. Or go to a physical shop where they will have VA ad TN panels on display and have a look for yourself.

[kellcom]

I am interested in buying this monitor and though though the specs do not state it has a VA panel, the viewing angles listed (180/180) cannot be from a TN panel, so would I be safe in assuming Novatech do currently hold VA panel stock?

If I can have confirmation of receiving a VA panel beforehand I will place an order, and if that is not possible then perhaps Novatech should amend the specs accordingly or add a disclaimer of some kind as I can imagine a few people might feel misled on receiving a TN.

[Cavallino]

Indeed. I was looking for this monitor too but in VA flavour. The differences between TN and VA are quite astounding really when you have them side by side.

I would like clarification if Nova is selling the VA variant. At least according to the specs it seems that this is the case since they are stating a viewing angle of 180/180. And as some of you know, no TN panel in existance can achieve such viewing angles so if I ordered this and it turned out to be a TN panel I would expect Novatech to kindly accept this under the distance selling act at their shipping expense since the description is incorrect.

Any clarification would be fantastic. Thanks NT!

[PC_Arcade]

I've just ordered one and I assume it's either a VA panel or the tech specs are wrong, if they are wrong I will return it :)

I'll post the results here though as it seems a few people may be interested

[gryshnak]

I'd be very interested in hearing which panel you got, too. I'm shopping for a 24" monitor, the one advertised here looks very good but when buying a monitor there's no substitute for actually looking at it with your own eyes - that's what it's designed for, after all.

For me, the big difference between TN and VA panels is the accuracy of the colours. I'm getting my new PC setup this weekend (sweet!) but I declined the monitor that was offered with it because it had TN pixels. If you sit in front of a TN monitor and move your head about, the colours change! Raise and lower your head, and the picture brightness changes (with a big screen this often means the pixels at the top of the screen are brighter than the pixels at the bottom because of the different viewing angle). As I'll be using my PC primarily for artwork and photographs, a monitor that changes colour every time I scratch my nose is a non-starter.

Unfortunately there are no Novatech stores within 150 miles, so going to look at one for myself isn't really practical. Can Novatech assure me of a VA panel if I place an order? I don't particularly care if they unpack the monitor and check the details themselves before sending it, as that's the first thing I plan to do when it arrives anyway.

Gryshnak
Hull, UK

[system7]

Perhaps phoning or live-chatting Nova would be best to get an answer... :P

[gryshnak]

Perhaps phoning or live-chatting Nova would be best to get an answer... :P
Yeah, it says live-chat is unavailable right now so I'll ring them in the morning.

[TheTranquilEye]

I got mine today and it was a VA panel. Very nice it is too. It has one pixel stuck red but I can live with that. The stand is a bit weak though. it wobbles on my desk with the slightest knock!

I bought a Viewsonic cheap from Tesco with a dead pixel. With some gentle rubbing with a fingernail, it disappeared and hasn't come back. Give that a go, but be careful!

TTE

[gryshnak]

I just did the livechat thing with Stuart in Sales, he says they're VA panels so I've ordered one. Watch this space...

[luvlyboy]

having been seeking a VA panel monitor at a reasonable price for some time I have seen many monitors, some purporting to be VA panels,all have been rejected due to the narrow viewing angles which are a feature of TN panels, having seen this forum with the various claims that the NOV=24 is or is not a VA panel and the 180 viewing angles I decided to research it thoroughly and I can tell you with certainty that it is a TN panel. I have seen the panel and whilst it is a good TN panel it is NOT a VA panel, Having contacted Novatech on this matter and I have in writing in an Email from them in front of me at this moment, that the only VA panel they sell is the 24" Hyundai HYD-W241D at a cost of £388-93 and confirming that the NOV-24 is a TN. So on that basis,despite the claims from some recipients that they have a NOV-24 with a VA panel they are mistaken as they have never been supplied.The panel in this monitor is an LG TN.

luvlyboy

[sniperdude]

What is this sudden burst of interest in VA panels?
The quality is in a different league to TN. I have my pretty decent 20" Samsung TN screen next to this and it's a joke. Colours aren't as good, it's no where near as bright, the variation with viewing angle is bad. This new screen is so much better and for this price a real bargain.



would just like to ask have you had the 20 samsung calibrated (not by eye with proper colour meter )


some monitors come with better calbration than others you might buy another VA pannel and it look just as bad as the
TN

[Kane Williams]

I'm interested in this monitor, but only if it is a VA (MVA or PVA) panel, as I want to calibrate it for accurate colours (for work).

Apparently, this monitor is the same as the Digimate L2442WD, which is also rumoured to be a PVA panel. How can we know for sure? How do you you get to the menu info that tells the model number of the panel?

[luvlyboy]

having researched this thoroughly, I have inspected the NOV-L24A, contacted Novatech and have written confirmation from them that it is NOT A VA Panel, it never has been, the only VA panel they have ever supplied is the hyundai HYD-W241D at a cost of £388-93 Both the digimate and Novatech monitors are made by digimate, both marketed at the same price and both TN panels, the only differens is the name on the monitor, They both have a LG=LM240WV3-TLA1 TN Panel.
Having said that and having had the monitor demonstrated at the Cardiff branch I can say it has extremely good viewing angles for a TN panel and is a very nice monitor so as the lowest cost VA/PVA/S-IPS panel monitor is over twice the cost and the difference in display is very little I have ordered one, choosing this one over a Dell 22" supersharp which I have returned.

regards

luvlyboy

[Kane Williams]

Whilst holding down the MENU button, press the + and you will see the name of the panel.

Cheers

[Kane Williams]

Whilst holding down the MENU button, press the + and you will see the name of the panel.

Cheers

[Kane Williams]

Whilst holding down the MENU button, press the + and you will see the name of the panel.

Cheers

[system7]

Never mind. If you have one of those flat cold TN Panels, just "Adjust Desktop Colour Settings" and enable "Digital Vibrance" to 50% in NVidia control panel.

Lush, lurid colours that even drew unprompted comment form my normally unimpressionable work colleagues in movies and games. :P

Give it a whirl. I like. 8)