Atec 32" LCD Want better sky picture RGB SCART

[paulbadassbriant]

Read this

"SCART - if you buy an HDTV, the scarts will no doubt be RGB enabled, resulting in a better connection quality than a regular scart (ie the "advanced scart" cable is always better than the one you get free with the console, because it carrys an RGB signal). this carrys audio with it"

Are the scarts sockets rgb enabled?

Read this too

"HDTV sets on LCD screens are designed to carry digital signals! if you plug your sky digibox into it with a scart lead, it wont look anywhere near as sharp as a good old CRT screen at first... you will see all the inherent break up and noise that is associated with analogue connections... your PS2 will look rubbish too!

the way around this, is to sit further away from the screen. The general guide is around 3 times the length of the screen is how far you should sit from it... if you do this, only then will you reap the benefits of a new TV showing old pictures... like any digital thing, the closer you inspect it, the more you see what it is made up of. like a digital photo xoomed right in, it loosk **** - so you have to view it from the correct distance"

Wanted to make my sky picture better, any help please

[djgandy]

do you have the £300 sky hd box?

[paulbadassbriant]

No just the ordinary one. otherwise i'd use dvi or component.

[gwendes]

Where is this information from? I would agree that you will experience loss in image quality if you are too close to the display (like a digital zoom) and that a standard definition image is not going to look anywhere near as good as a high definition.

To improve the picture the best thing to do is improve the signal quality. The best cables and equipment will still be limited to the signal they produce and transmit.

Don't worry, HD is just around the corner... :)

[djgandy]

SCART is SCART i thought. It has carried audio and video for years now.
I don't think the quality of SCART has changed in years.

Maybe if you post the site you are quoting this from i can see what context they mean it in. I know games consoles sometimes have funny leads, but if you're talking SCART to SCART it's usually a case of plug in and play, unless you buy rubbish cables.

[Coops]

Well scart is not exactly just scart.

You get Full Scart and Half Scart Sockets.

You also get Full wired and Half Wired Cables.

Full Scart socket is wired for Audio, RBG Signal, Composite and S-Video

Half Scart Socket is Wired for Audio, Composite and S-Video.

I once dealt with someone who had a problem with there picture and was complaining it was poor. They did have it all wired up correctly and they did have everything set correctly but they were using a cheap scart cable which was only half wired. So there TV was automatically switching to composite signal cause the cable had no wires for RGB.
One new Fully wired scart cable and the whole thing was perfect.
Most scart cables provided these days are Fully wired as most people use RGB with there devices. But if your using old Scarts you have had around the house for the last so many years best check there up to spec.

[djgandy]

Afaik composite is the same as RCA (phono connector)
That would defeat the object of a SCART lead lol.
All i've ever used have had RGB. I thought that was the whole idea of SCART.
Better of using COAX than composite :\

[Coops]

Yes composite is the same as the RCA Video Phono Connector. Single yellow RCA
Composite is basically the RGB signal compounded together and sent down once cable.

You also then have component connectors where the signal is also sent over phono but is split in to 3 parts. Thats a whole different story though.

Actually the design of scart has got nothing to do with what signals its holds. Its more simple than that. Scart was designed by a Company in France and is really only seen in Europe. Hence its Full name
"Euro AV Scart"

Basically we were not going to follow the US in having all these leads to hook up just to get the system working and also having to try and understanding how to make the connections and to where.
How do you resolve this??

SCART is born. a Standard design cable that only fits one way round and carries the signals needed to connect your devices together in one cable requiring you just to plug in at both ends. Easy.
When SCART was first invented RGB signal did not exist in home devices. It was only really used in the Professional Video Equipment Market but the Company behind SCART had the fore thought to build it with Extra connectors so should new standards came out these could be added to the cable without changing the design.

This what caused the Half Scart / Full Scart design. RGB when it became popular was added to the SCART creating the full wired scart. TV and Device manufacturers then just wired up there sockets accordingly. If the Port supports RGB its full wired if it does not only Half wired required.

So there we go SCART in a nut shell. For example at Home i have NTL. DVD player and HDD Recorder all support RGB signals using Full Wired Scart. But my old Video Player does not support RGB Scart and nor can it pass through RGB signals as both the scarts ports on the VCR are only half Wired and the scart cable that came with my VCR when i bought also only half wired. However that got thrown away ages ago and i got new gold scarts now =)

[djgandy]

hehe,

just been reading wiki too :p
I have half decent SCART leads too, so i guess this was something i never had to worry about.

There is a little rule in the audio world which states you should allow 10% of your budget for cabling.
Probably a good idea for Video too, although you wouldnt need that much since there isnt as much to connect up.

[paulbadassbriant]

So are there any advantages of getting an RGB scart that carries no audio? i bought a scart for about £20, it said it was the mutts nuts, but when i plugged it in, it was no different that a £3 one from Argos! How much do i have to spend to notice a differnce?

[Alec]

No, there is no advantage to a "no audio" SCART cable. Cross-talk interferenece between the audio signals and video would only be the result of very very poor screening. No crosstalk should occur in any half decent cable.

IMHO you are unlikely to notice a difference in video quality from one SCART cable to another unless the previous cable was poor.

There are plenty of very poor SCART cables out there, and it never ceases to amaze me that people willing to spend 1500 quid on AV equipment will not spend 10 quid on a decent cable. That said, I cannot understand those who happily spend 50 quid on a SCART lead either.

Gold contacts and OFC cable make little difference at the kind of bandwidth ordinary video signals occupy.

Alec

[dennismanders]

Finally got the RGB scart going and noticed much better picture than on the half scart but.........................There seems to be ghosting in the backround or cross-over and I think this is from Channel 4 would I be correct in assuming this IS from another channel? if so how is it happening as if unit is using scart to the display on AV1

:( .