Are utilities taking over

[erphy100]

Hi All,

Are the days of overclocking in/useing the BIOS on the way out.
where will utilties be in a year or so.


Multipliers of the Core i7 Models


Core i7 Family Model Multiplier FSB
Core i7 965 Extreme x24 133 MHz
Core i7 940 x22 133 MHz
Core i7 920 x20 133 MHz


DDR3 Memory Required for the Core i7 920 and 940

Overclocking: Core i7 940
(2.93 GHz, x22) Frequency FSB 6 8 (multiplyer drops to 12x when idle 1.6GHZ)
4.40 GHz 200 DDR3-1200 DDR3-1600
4.18 GHz 190 DDR3-1140 DDR3-1520
3.96 GHz 180 DDR3-1080 DDR3-1440
3.74 GHz 170 DDR3-1020 DDR3-1360
3.52 GHz 160 DDR3-960 DDR3-1280
3.30 GHz 150 DDR3-900 DDR3-1200
3.08 GHz 140 DDR3-840 DDR3-1120
2.93 GHz 133 DDR3-798 DDR3-1064


Overclocking: Core i7 920
(2.66 GHz, x20) Frequency FSB 6 8
4.00 GHz 200 DDR3-1200 DDR3-1600
3.80 GHz 190 DDR3-1140 DDR3-1520
3.60 GHz 180 DDR3-1080 DDR3-1440
3.40 GHz 170 DDR3-1020 DDR3-1360
3.20 GHz 160 DDR3-960 DDR3-1280
3.00 GHz 150 DDR3-900 DDR3-1200
2.80 GHz 140 DDR3-840 DDR3-1120
2.66 GHz 133 DDR3-798 DDR3-1064

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4158/turbov.th.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=turbov.jpg)

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6769/aisuite.th.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aisuite.jpg)

I've missed out on PCs over the last 10years bringing up family etc, some forum members may remember my post (finally done it).

Is it going to be utilities from now on for general overclocking, as I easy overclock from 2.93ghz to 3.6ghz stable, with a few
mouse clicks.
I was looking foreward to starting to learn the correct way to get a stable overclock useing the bios etc, now I'm beginning to
wonder if it's worth it. Might spend my time trying to improve my English.
erphy100.

[basmic]

There's been Windows apps to allow you to adjust FSB settings, etc, for some time while Windows is running.

But I've always feel more comfortable knowing my CPU's clock speed won't change each time I startup - it just doesn't feel healthy for the CPU.

Overclocking in the BIOS isn't too hard - it becomes easier as you find your way around the BIOS. You should also find you get better overclocks when setting from the BIOS - because you can fine tune things you might not be able to within Windows, ie: memory timing.

[Ciber]

I tried asus trubov and found it not that useful. I found it's a good tool for quickly making your PC lock up though, I added 10% and then 20% to the fsb with it and then my PC froze! I'm not using overclocking RAM, so I'll need to do some work in the BIOS with memory timings before upping speeds!

[moogle]

No way utilities are still no good imo (although I haven't tried EVGA's and AMD's ones) and the ASUS ones aren't any different. Bios all the way then utility to test if it's stable.

[erphy100]

I tried asus trubov and found it not that useful. I found it's a good tool for quickly making your PC lock up though, I added 10% and then 20% to the fsb with it and then my PC froze! I'm not using overclocking RAM, so I'll need to do some work in the BIOS with memory timings before upping speeds!

Hi Ciber,
I've never used a p6t board, but on the AsusRE2 there's a utility called AI I've used this and on there I get the option of regular 2.93ghz , i7 365 3.2ghz, or what Asus calls crazy 3.6ghz. I use the AI 3.6ghz all the time while gamming and it's not let me down YET. No bother useing TurboV, it's never given me any trouble.
erphy101.

[GeorgeStorm]

The BIOS is still the best way to go
Just because there are lots of programs which can overclock does in no way make them better
I mean, yes, often in overclocking, an overclock will be set in the BIOS, and then pushed a little further in windows as the overclock would not have been stable enoguh to laod windows, but once loaded is stable enough for a cpu-z validation etc....
But
BIOS all the way, :D
Also, getting that cpuf rom 2.93 to 3.6 isnt much, 4 atleast, :D

[erphy100]

The BIOS is still the best way to go
Just because there are lots of programs which can overclock does in no way make them better
I mean, yes, often in overclocking, an overclock will be set in the BIOS, and then pushed a little further in windows as the overclock would not have been stable enoguh to laod windows, but once loaded is stable enough for a cpu-z validation etc....
But
BIOS all the way, :D
Also, getting that cpuf rom 2.93 to 3.6 isnt much, 4 atleast, :D
Hi GeorgeStorm,
4.2, even 4.4ghz, 200x22, DDR3,1600. Bit of better cooling much over 4.00ghz, it's only my teenage son that's into gamming & overclocking big way & want's to go over 3.6/8ghz. He uses the utilities, but he still likes going into the bios, but no need to.
erphy101:)

[GeorgeStorm]

Yeah, I mean, for a daily thing, 3.6 is more than enough, but!
For benching and stuff, and just to see how far it can go......, :D

[moogle]

Yeah, I mean, for a daily thing, 3.6 is more than enough, but!

Need 4GHz min for me :D

[GeorgeStorm]

Why, what do you do?
Or is it just for your e-peen?

[moogle]

Why, what do you do?
Or is it just for your e-peen?

Gaming, Benching and Work.


My chip can do 4GHz easy why would I not run it at that?

If I had it for the epeen I'd have it in my sig or somewhere I could show if off wouldn't I :p

[GeorgeStorm]

Well, I could run my chip faster, but I dont see the point, increased heat and power with no real benefit.......
But, if it can do it easy, and doesnt requite too much voltage, and gives your eal benefits, nor eason not to :D

[moogle]

Well, I could run my chip faster, but I dont see the point, increased heat and power with no real benefit.......
But, if it can do it easy, and doesnt requite too much voltage, and gives your eal benefits, nor eason not to :D

1.28v on 45nm chip isn't much isn't it :D

[GeorgeStorm]

Nice, what chip do you have?
An i7?
1.28v is good, I need 1.45+, (e7300), :(

[moogle]

Nice, what chip do you have?
An i7?
1.28v is good, I need 1.45+, (e7300), :(

Naw I wish. I'm investing in a decent base/chassis/cooling for now. The chip's a Q9550 :D (C1 believe it or not).

[GeorgeStorm]

I see no reason to go i7 yet, just not wirth it in my opinion
Great chip, custompc could only get theirs to 3.3 stable, they must have had a mage dud,
Pretty muche veryone I have seen can do 4 easy,
What cooling is it on then

[moogle]

I see no reason to go i7 yet, just not wirth it in my opinion
Great chip, custompc could only get theirs to 3.3 stable, they must have had a mage dud,
Pretty muche veryone I have seen can do 4 easy,
What cooling is it on then

Yeah I really don't want to go i7 because from what I've read they run hotter (quite a bit hotter). Brings back memories of the Pentium 4's... :surrender:

I had it on water to get 4GHz, and that was with the worst fans you could have on a not so good rad :D

Right now I'm at stock while I build the system up into the case :)

[erphy100]

Yeah I really don't want to go i7 because from what I've read they run hotter (quite a bit hotter). Brings back memories of the Pentium 4's... :surrender:

I had it on water to get 4GHz, and that was with the worst fans you could have on a not so good rad :D

Right now I'm at stock while I build the system up into the case :)

Hi moogle,
Temps are not that bad i7, http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLBCH try one.


erphy.

[moogle]

Hi moogle,
Temps are not that bad i7, http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLBCH


erphy.

That's the thermal spec and the TDP is that of the Pentium 4's iirc :D

I see no reason to upgrade for now though :thumbs:

[erphy100]

That's the thermal spec and the TDP is that of the Pentium 4's iirc :D

I see no reason to upgrade for now though :thumbs:
Hiagain moogle,
I've never seen my i7 go past 63c, even under load. Also seems a waste building a new system around an old CPU.
Ps. Or did I misunderstand & your restoring.:)

erphy.

[moogle]

Hiagain moogle,
I've never seen my i7 go past 63c, even under load. Also seems a waste building a new system around an old CPU.
Ps. Or did I misunderstand & your restoring.:)

erphy.

Misunderstood, I already have the CPU's and bits.
I plan to stick with my system a bit longer than I usually do this time :biggrin:

[erphy100]

sorry did misunderstand, trying to read & watch T.V.
erphy :) :)
Good luck.

[moogle]

sorry did misunderstand, trying to read & whatch T.V.
erphy

LOL were you watching TV when you made your sig it says you have an ASUS Rapage board :lol:

[erphy100]

ya,re2, watching Yellowstone. Thought nobody would notice.
erphy.
Ps. have to leave multi-tasking too you girls.

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

There's been Windows apps to allow you to adjust FSB settings, etc, for some time while Windows is running.

But I've always feel more comfortable knowing my CPU's clock speed won't change each time I startup - it just doesn't feel healthy for the CPU.

Overclocking in the BIOS isn't too hard - it becomes easier as you find your way around the BIOS. You should also find you get better overclocks when setting from the BIOS - because you can fine tune things you might not be able to within Windows, ie: memory timing.

i agree using windows based utilities that start up after boot doesnt really feel healthy at all, on my old pentiumD system i used clockgen, as its the only way i could overclock the processor as it was a prebuilt compaq system, though it was hit and miss on whether it froze after start up or not, utilities are fun to mess about with but they wont replace bios overclocking just yet, though i also agree with the asus AI overclocking<< its not actually a bad system<< though its still bios based so i guess it shouldnt be counted as a utility? :P

[cje]

In my opinion BIOS overclocking is always best, because if windows fails to boot, you know it ain't right. :D Also, I do not personally trust ANY software that modifies the BIOS from a windows environment. Say you are overclocking my motherboard from a windows environment, and it crashes WHILE you are changing settings? Or when the program is modding the BIOS? I much prefer using the BIOS, but that may be me just having been used to the BIOS way.

But with my motherboard, I wouldn't touch nvidia's ntune or a similar clocking utility with a barge pole. It's hard enough to get the thing stable as it is. :)

[kimandsally]

The Eleet utility with the EVGA motherboards is a very nice piece of software it works just fine, and I've found it not a fussy as the Asus software.
Good programme to help get close before final tweaking.

[kimandsally]

In my opinion BIOS overclocking is always best, because if windows fails to boot, you know it ain't right. :D Also, I do not personally trust ANY software that modifies the BIOS from a windows environment. Say you are overclocking my motherboard from a windows environment, and it crashes WHILE you are changing settings? Or when the program is modding the BIOS? I much prefer using the BIOS, but that may be me just having been used to the BIOS way.

But with my motherboard, I wouldn't touch nvidia's ntune or a similar clocking utility with a barge pole. It's hard enough to get the thing stable as it is. :)

Agreed until I tried this Eleet from EVGA it really does speed things up.