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Urrys Currys
18-05-2009, 03:28 PM
hi.
if you take a look at my signature, this is the connection we have at my boarding school, however, im sure to leave school this year, providing i pass all my GCSE with a B grade or higher, and wanting to know if this connection would be possible to get at my home in portsmouth.

if so, what equiptment would i need? (e.g: modems, router, server perhaps?, system upgrades) i know my fair share, but when i comes to servers and extreme high speed, im cofrazzled

an infomation at all would be appreciated.
the speed at what the download achieve are phenominal. :burnout:

Helior
18-05-2009, 03:37 PM
Unless you are very rich the answer is no i'm afraid, but 20 Mb virgin for example is enough downstream bandwidth than you'll ever need tbh, most download speeds are capped by the server.

Upstream bandwidth is pretty lame on just about every service but you won't notice unless you want to host a server or upload something.

Urrys Currys
18-05-2009, 03:42 PM
Unless you are very rich the answer is no i'm afraid, but 20 Mb virgin for example is enough downstream bandwidth than you'll ever need tbh, most download speeds are capped by the server.

Upstream bandwidth is pretty lame on just about every service but you won't notice unless you want to host a server or upload something.

for all you know i may be a millionaire, and no virgins 20Mbit connection i found crappy. not tried the 50Mbit yet, but we may have it at home next half term...

KyleG
18-05-2009, 06:07 PM
By looking at his laptop i think he has the money to get a better net than 20mb.....

Young
18-05-2009, 06:16 PM
Your not going to get anywhere near that speed unless you live inside a data center or having some sort of freak day on a 50mb connections.. I think that's the largest you can get in the UK (household wise)?

Andrew Moore
18-05-2009, 06:18 PM
Eclipse do some high speed business lines.

Andy

Urrys Currys
18-05-2009, 06:29 PM
By looking at his laptop i think he has the money to get a better net than 20mb.....

well at the moment at home we have 10Mbit, but im hardly ever there because im at boarding school. hence the stupidly fast connection. i had the laptop braught for me as an xmas present, but i have my fair share of money, which im sure will cover the costs of the connection, anything over 30Mbit would do, any ISP any Type (ADSL, Fibre... ANYTHING!) I think at home we are going to try 50Mbit from VM, but on our 10Mbit, we always seem to get spikes within out speed, whenever i run a speedcheck at www.speedtest.net (http://www.speedtest.net), it always drops for no reason.

so thats why im looking for a decent business connection :) also i have a stupidly over spec'd laptop that i dont use for gaming, but im wishing to, its has one of the worlds best gaming wireless card inside it, and it pointless have a VM connection because they are rubbish, dont even ask why we still have VM, but i dont use it much.

P.S: i only added the laptop like 10 mins ago.

Urrys Currys
18-05-2009, 06:35 PM
Your not going to get anywhere near that speed unless you live inside a data center or having some sort of freak day on a 50mb connections.. I think that's the largest you can get in the UK (household wise)?

im not sure, but VM are testing what is said to be the World's fastest internet connection at 200Mbit. they achieved it in test labs, but thats what exspected, and are testing it out in the near furture for homes in kent and few other places. http://www.broadbandchoices.co.uk/virgin-media-trials-200mb-broadband-060509.html

Young
18-05-2009, 06:44 PM
im not sure, but VM are testing what is said to be the World's fastest internet connection at 200Mbit. they achieved it in test labs, but thats what exspected, and are testing it out in the near furture for homes in kent and few other places. http://www.broadbandchoices.co.uk/virgin-media-trials-200mb-broadband-060509.html

Seems awesome, but probably won't be available for a long time, If your receiving lag/bad connection sometimes with 10meg then you should probably just consider changing isp or calling them up and just upgrade.

https://www.bethere.co.uk - Only heard good things so far, maybe have a look around there :).

Urrys Currys
18-05-2009, 06:49 PM
Seems awesome, but probably won't be available for a long time, If your receiving lag/bad connection sometimes with 10meg then you should probably just consider changing isp or calling them up and just upgrade.

https://www.bethere.co.uk - Only heard good things so far, maybe have a look around there :).

yeh i've just about had it with VM, customer service is total crumbs. either a really bad phone connetion or just cant understand the employee. brb, have to have a shower before eveyone starts flooding into them for the night.

ccxo
18-05-2009, 07:06 PM
Well virgin/be and possibly a few other isps will only give you 24meg plus at current in the domestic market until BT and if virgin expand there network further we are stuck with what we have.

Mr. Orange
18-05-2009, 10:04 PM
Lol, ur ping, is 400x better than mine ^^
http://www.speedtest.net/result/476539227.png

The Underdog
18-05-2009, 10:11 PM
Lol, ur ping, is 400x better than mine ^^
http://www.speedtest.net/result/476539227.png

I guessed AOL at first, other day I had 65,000 ping during a peak time :(. Thats without downloading too...

Helior
18-05-2009, 10:46 PM
The actual speed of the connection is not the only factor to consider. I have had 20Mb virgin media in two places, in Cardiff it was total **** and i needed the 20Mb just to make it usable, where i am now its perfect and i downgraded to 10Mb becuase i literally cannot tell the difference 99% of the time.

You aren't going to find many services that offer very fast speeds, virgin 50Mb is probably the highest available unless your gonna get fibre to the door. But with the business services you do get much lower contention ratio's which really is what makes the difference most of the time. Just bear in mind that massive bandwidth advertised does not mean a great connection and also that the same companies service can vary massively in differant locations.

Vigoro
18-05-2009, 11:06 PM
im not sure, but VM are testing what is said to be the World's fastest internet connection at 200Mbit. they achieved it in test labs, but thats what exspected, and are testing it out in the near furture for homes in kent and few other places. http://www.broadbandchoices.co.uk/virgin-media-trials-200mb-broadband-060509.html

Testing in labs is different to real life though. If i remember rightly the cables which VM have currently down in the ground will only cope with 150Mbit broadband maximum.

IF you do want a fast connection though i suggest a move to sweeden :)

Urrys Currys
18-05-2009, 11:13 PM
Testing in labs is different to real life though. If i remember rightly the cables which VM have currently down in the ground will only cope with 150Mbit broadband maximum.

IF you do want a fast connection though i suggest a move to sweeden :)

yeh i know, our country is utter crappy, there are some many stupid laws, we are one of the worlds richest countries, but yet we seems to be stuck 20 years worth of research in technology compaired to other countries. :'( :hail: Bow down to the germans! got a few friends that are german and thier connections just walk all over ours.

Vigoro
18-05-2009, 11:16 PM
Their connections in their country may walk all over ours, but we actually seem to have really good connections to other countries most of the time.

The problem isnt the people who own the normal ADSL lines(BT all over the country apart from Hull i believe) But it is the government for not giving grants for them to upgrade it, and when they do give grants they are no where near large enough :(

Urrys Currys
18-05-2009, 11:17 PM
Testing in labs is different to real life though. If i remember rightly the cables which VM have currently down in the ground will only cope with 150Mbit broadband maximum.

IF you do want a fast connection though i suggest a move to sweeden :)

yup i doubt they will even make 100Mbit, over the distance and quality of line. its all well having a really high speed connection, but packet loss must be so high, and whats with all the stupidly slow upload speeds... why cant any ISP have a 100% customisable connections, so you can choose what speeds you want! it really anoyes me, i spend like 2 days trying to upload a 100MB portfolio to the school server from home, and i just about hit 0.50Mbit and it just takes too long. and i just dont have enough time to do that. but thats where me external HDD comes into play 1.5TB of exelence in 3.5" FTW!

Urrys Currys
18-05-2009, 11:26 PM
Their connections in their country may walk all over ours, but we actually seem to have really good connections to other countries most of the time.

The problem isnt the people who own the normal ADSL lines(BT all over the country apart from Hull i believe) But it is the government for not giving grants for them to upgrade it, and when they do give grants they are no where near large enough :(

yeh, but how many customers to BT have? like millions, so why cant they just test, buy and upgrade thierselfs. or like xbox live, we buy each game at £40 each, then we pay £40 per year, and all we get is laggy games, or the game is full of rubbish players that camp all the time. and yet not 1 dedicated server in sight.

and all this EU bull... £40 million pounds per day, and yet what do we get out of it? usless laws and other countries wanting money because all thier people come over here, sry but thier not exactly helping thierselfs are they? fair enough, they work hard and do no harm, but £40 million per day! for nothing we really need and/or want.

Helior
18-05-2009, 11:27 PM
Germany is no better off than us really, we're not really behind at all, a few countries are ahead as always.

I'll admit that the uploads available on most connections are pants and sdsl is incredibly expensive, but thats just supply and demand, vast majority don't need fast upstream.

Downstream speeds are fine, most of the time we are capped by the server we are connecting too anyway, like i said earlier i can't tell the difference between 10 and 20 Mb/s here 99% of the time.

Urrys Currys
18-05-2009, 11:40 PM
yeh i think il give up with this thread seems to be getting nowhere, i guess il just phone around a few places today/tomrorow.

ccxo
19-05-2009, 12:29 AM
yeh, but how many customers to BT have? like millions, so why cant they just test, buy and upgrade thierselfs. or like xbox live, we buy each game at £40 each, then we pay £40 per year, and all we get is laggy games, or the game is full of rubbish players that camp all the time. and yet not 1 dedicated server in sight.

and all this EU bull... £40 million pounds per day, and yet what do we get out of it? usless laws and other countries wanting money because all thier people come over here, sry but thier not exactly helping thierselfs are they? fair enough, they work hard and do no harm, but £40 million per day! for nothing we really need and/or want.

BT wont upgrade there network without significant returns on there investment which is substantial, as long as BT can get a good profit margin on there investment they will upgrade there network compeltly or with goverment backed funding would help speed the process up, however the current goverment is commited to a 2mb base.

As for Europe we havent had a say in the matter its all been labour taking us in, not the people.